Stoneskin II

[BigPapaSmurf]

NAYSAYERS: Stoneskin II is MERELY for speeding up the PRE-PULL buffing process. SCH ALREADY has access to Stoneskin I, so SCH can already buff the party with it (since it stacks with Lustrate) if they want.

Giving SCH Stoneskin II adds NOTHING to their combat-prowess as it is OUT-OF-COMBAT ONLY.

Stop the debate.

[Lavieh]

Why don't we? As has been stated, SCH is oftentimes the only healer, so why not give them this QoL change as well?

This thread is full on kiddos who are made that their friend got a new racecar and they want one too. So childish and pointless.

Thematically it wouldn't make sense, Stoneskin II is the next tier for WHM's Stoneskin. It is their AoE ability - Deal with it.

SCH's literally have 0 need for this skill. This was intended for WHM's and only WHM's. In every scenario where you NEED someone to cast stoneskin on the whole party it was in a raid scenario where a WHM will be required. There are literally 0 other needs for it outside of that.

TL;DR of this whole thread :

Whiny SCH's are jealous of WHM's stoneskin, can't see that every class is different and they want the same thing that WHM has.

[Corfish]

But it changes literally nothing. It speeds up pulls. That is all it does. And thematically who cares, I'm already using stoneskin...

[SulwynCaliope]

TL;DR of this whole thread :

Whiny SCH's are jealous of WHM's stoneskin, can't see that every class is different and they want the same thing that WHM has.

Whiny WHMs need to cast SS on the whole party faster than SCHs to feel special and don't want to share their new toy with them. They can't see that SCHs can ALREADY cast SS on the whole party and what we're talking about here is about making the lives of SCHs a bit easier.

Fixed it for you.

[Lavieh]

But it changes literally nothing. It speeds up pulls. That is all it does. And thematically who cares, I'm already using stoneskin...

I don't think it matters either way, I think expressing anger or discontent over it is silly. I think that urging SE to "Do something about it" when there is much more that needs to be done is silly. I also think the mentality of the SCH's that are pushing really hard for it to happen is extremely silly.

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

[SulwynCaliope]

I don't think it matters either way, I think expressing anger or discontent over it is silly. I think that urging SE to "Do something about it" when there is much more that needs to be done is silly. I also think the mentality of the SCH's that are pushing really hard for it to happen is extremely silly.

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

I'm calling SE out on their mishandling of this. What's wrong with that? Or should we just allow SE to implement things in a half assed manner and let it slide because "oh there's more important things to worry about." WHMs fought hard to have this QoL change and were rightly rewarded for their efforts. Why can't SCHs do the same? Because somehow us having the same thing is less worth it?

[Lavieh]

I'm calling SE out on their mishandling of this. What's wrong with that? Or should we just allow SE to implement things in a half assed manner and let it slide because "oh there's more important things to worry about." WHMs fought hard to have this QoL change and were rightly rewarded for their efforts. Why can't SCHs do the same? Because somehow us having the same thing is less worth it?

I just don't understand how SE mishandled this? Stoneskin has always been a CNJ skill, they even get a trait. SCH's just borrow it but it was never theirs. SCH's have had access to Succor since the beginning, I'm sure every WHM would like a skill like Succor, or a big shield to put on the tank like Adlo. There is a lot of QoL things that SCH has that WHM doesnt, that I'm sure every WHM would want but the fact is they are different classes with different skills. This concept is so simple and easy to understand yet you don't really seem to grasp it.

[SulwynCaliope]

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What you're not grasping is that the SCH skills you're talking about are NOT QoL. Quality of Life means that gameplay itself is not affected and it only adds to convenience. How does giving WHMs integral skills of the SCH arsenal not affect game balance? Or do you want versions of succor, aetherflow etc that do nothing in battle? Sure you can have them. Succor lasts 30 seconds and doesn't last long enough to shield most damage on the party so it's pretty useless as a pre shield. Aetherflow is a CORE part of the SCH design. We don't just use it for mana regen and tbh, the mana regen on it for me isn't even the main reason why I refresh it every minute. I refresh it every minute to use up stacks on sacred soil IN BATTLE etc. How would that not be balance breaking? I'm asking for a skill that lets me shave off maybe 10 SECONDS before battle on a full party. How does that even equate to what you're asking for?

Edit: Would you be happy if I said you could have a non game breaking version of any of our SCH skills if WHMs really wanted them? By non game breaking I mean, can only be used out of battle and only serves to better your life in a very small, small way.

[Roris]

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.

You mean the same resources that were devoted to making Stoneskin 2 happen right after it was suggested at Fanfest, especially when back when it was first suggested on the forums the same type of people had the same "it's not needed it won't have an impact stop being entitled and asking SE for things" mentality? You mean the same resources that also keep being allocated to vanity stuff free or paid and still not fixing other inherent flaws like Benediction and all HP related operations having a very noticeable delay?

[Evangela]

If it's really that great, just play WHM.