Stoneskin II

[CUTS3R]

Tbh, you SCHs are already using half of your cross class skills slots on good skills from WHMs: protect, SS and ( especially ) Cleric stance.

Now WHMs only get meh things like eye for an eye and virus from SCH... The trade is not even fair to begin with. So why should you get all of our "best" skills without giving anything in return ?

As i said few pages ago, even if SS2 is a QOL change, ill give you my SS2 in exchange of a decent SCH crossclass skill usable in battle, in exchange of all the cross class skills usable in battle you already use from us.

You're talking bout fairness, so give us a nerfed succor, adlo or something and ill gladly lend you whatever Qol skill such as SS2 we have and will get in the future.

You cant pop out one day and request such thing as a new WHM cross class and ignore what i said at the beginning of my post.

[Velox]

Tbh, you SCHs are already using half of your cross class skills slots on good skills from WHMs: protect, SS and ( especially ) Cleric stance.

Remember when SCH didn't have access to Cleric Stance? All you saw was bitching about "we need this skill too" and SE finally caved. It's no different now. If SCH had access to Stoneskin II, you might as well give WHM access to Aetherflow. I mean, it's a fair trade right?. A skill for a skill. In fact, let's give both jobs access to all skills in each others' lists and completely remove any identity they each have.

[Nicobo]

IMO SS2 is more than QoL, that's why it is a new Lv50 spell and not cross-classable.
Swiftcast SS2 between pulls is so fun, I just treat it as another spell, and in fact, it is another spell. ^^;

[CUTS3R]

Remember when SCH didn't have access to Cleric Stance? All you saw was bitching about "we need this skill too" and SE finally caved.It's no different now.

It is. Cleric stance is infinitely more useful than SS2 and usable in battle. It can also help pulling extra DPS in fights requiring heavy DPS checks thus preventing potentials wipes or just phasing an encounter for a faster kill. So SCH begging for it made much more sense than begging for SS2 which will likely wears off within the 1st minute a battle starts and then become useless as long as you're fighting.

[MaethusXion]

Please let Paladin have Stoneskin II too then ^^" Not like we have many choices of cross-class skills anyway, I'd take it!

Healers can keep SS2, I sure as hell ain't making my SCH any lazier than they are! I get so pissed at SCHs that don't even DPS on easy-50 dungeons... and the ones that don't SS1... and the ones that don't even Prot...

[Talshara_Blade]

Most people that don't wait for stoneskin, will start a fight and make stoneskin II useless anyhow, so SCH not missing much.

[Yumi_umi]

Hopefully in 3.0 schs will give back all of our cc skills as the trade between healers is kinda unfair lol. Since yoshi will probs rework a lot of things so it'll make sense i guess.
But all i know is that keep ur filthy hands off of my ss2 schs! Or you can give us awtherflow in exchange cuz thatd be nice :3

[Garlyle]

wow there's a lot of bitter WHMs in this thread.

Or rather who have completely missed the entire point of SS2 as literally just a convenience skill to speed up things because that's the only time you can use it so why make instances where two scholars are the healers/solo scholar not have that convenience if they have access to stoneskin? Saying "Oh but we want Aetherflow in return" is absurd because you're asking for a massively game changing skill in return for about 6-18 seconds of time saved via a button that's literally useless in combat.

I've got 0 issue with my new hella-nice stoneskin-the-party button being cross-classable and some of the arguments I've heard about it are absolutely asinine.

If Stoneskin weren't already available to Scholar yeah I could see the argument. If SS2 were at all capable of influencing combat, yeah, I could see it.

But literally the only thing SCHs not having SS2 does to the game is causing them to have to spend several more seconds Stoneskinning pre-combat when a WHM isn't around - the exact situation SS2 was created to fix.

[whoopeeragon]

Saying "Oh but we want Aetherflow in return" is absurd because you're asking for a massively game changing skill in return for about 6-18 seconds of time saved via a button that's literally useless in combat.

I certainly wouldn't mind a 20% MP restoration skill outside of combat before pulls as a WHM. The times where we've wiped and I finish buffing for the next attempt and I'm still at 3k MP.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

Why are WHM against giving SS2 to Sch?

I heal both as a whm and as a sch and i don't want to side with anybody but i seriously don't understand what's the problem if sch gained access to ss2. Whm barriers are still more powerful and i think any sch would leave the honor of buffing full parties to whm. Plus, since you unlock Sch at lvl30 and are given access to a new job skill every 5levels, i think it was unavoidable that they would "borrow" a few class skills from the only healer class we have in the game. To me this new spell was just a nice QoL and i fail at seeing this unfairness ..