Stoneskin II

[LalaRu]

...people seems even more impatient when awaiting stone skin casts -.-

Duties/CT/ST: Just SS the tanks. All the others have to learn don't eat the mechanics.

Raids: when people don't understand the difference between WHM ans SCH and everything, who cares, you have most likely joined a wipe feast party.

Problem solved.

[Lyrinn]

Can't say I like the OP's tone or the way this was presented but I certainly don't see any reason not to give SCHs SS2.

But then again, I don't see why SS2 even has a 6 second cast time. SE logic.

[Ghishlain]

I can understand why SCHs would want this since it is a QoL.

From a programming / design perspective, I get the impression that it was less time consuming / frustrating to just make a new skill that could only be used out of combat versus trying to find a way to give Stoneskin the ability to AoE while out of combat. Is it laziness? Perhaps. Given S-E's coding before with XI and now XIV and how many issues they have trying to deviate from the existing programing...

*Glares indignantly at the inability to queue DF with the Chocobo Companion out*

...what we're asking for is probably too resource intensive for a QoL change such as this.

With that being said, do you really need to have Stoneskin for SCH to AoE in any dungeon / content where you WON'T have a WHM? Not really =D In fact, chances are you'll apply Stoneskin at the beginning of the dungeon then just kinda reapply it on the tank after every pull. Otherwise, it'll be a convenience after select trash pulls (Sastasha HM Lamias) or most bosses.

[Lyrinn]

...what we're asking for is probably too resource intensive for a QoL change such as this.

I don't see how it would be resource intensive, just make it cross class like ... every other crossed skill in the game.

[Ghishlain]

I don't see how it would be resource intensive, just make it cross class like ... every other crossed skill in the game.

Then people would start complaining "OMG IT TAKES ANOTHER CROSS CLASS SPOT!" =p

[EDIT] To be fair though, what Lyrinn would be the path of least resistance.

WHMs get Stoneskin AND Stoneskin II at 34, both cross classable.

Give Graniteskin II trait at the same level you get Graniteskin.

Problem solved.

What I was directing my original post towards is the desire for players to want an elaborate way to make Stoneskin AoE outside of combat so they can maintain only using one cross class, as has been discussed somewhere in the Healer's Forum.

[Ashkendor]

Then people would start complaining "OMG IT TAKES ANOTHER CROSS CLASS SPOT!" =p

Yeah, I wouldn't give up a cross-class slot for it. *shrug*

[ExponentialDecay]

Then people would start complaining "OMG IT TAKES ANOTHER CROSS CLASS SPOT!" =p

[EDIT] To be fair though, what Lyrinn would be the path of least resistance.

WHMs get Stoneskin AND Stoneskin II at 34, both cross classable.

Give Graniteskin II trait at the same level you get Graniteskin.

Problem solved.

What I was directing my original post towards is the desire for players to want an elaborate way to make Stoneskin AoE outside of combat so they can maintain only using one cross class, as has been discussed somewhere in the Healer's Forum.

No, I don't have any skills cc'd I would want to part with. Just give sch their own stoneskin 2.

A better idea would be to make stoneskin have an aoe effect outside of battle and lose that effect in battle.

Stoneskin II is just for a slightly quicker means of applying stoneskin TO START.

This is exactly why white mage wanted it. This is exactly why scholar wants it.

[Ghishlain]

I'm just kinda... aghast at how this thread spiraled like this for one simple request @.@

No, I don't have any skills cc'd I would want to part with. Just give sch their own stoneskin 2.

A better idea would be to make stoneskin have an aoe effect outside of battle and lose that effect in battle.

Funny how you managed to miss the post I made two replies before the one you quoted in regards to just that. I agree that making the change to SS soe it AoEs outside of combat is the best idea, but I don't think it's as "easy" to program as everyone thinks it is.

[Zplinter]

Not sure I honestly understand the issue here Sulwyn? It can only be cast between fights, 5.75 seconds to cast, and only hits party members in the 15y radius. As a time saver it is great for groups of 8, and nice for groups of 4.
If Scholars and even Paladins wanted the same for the 10% SSII, I do not see why it could not be added. However I do not find it game breaking they did not do it.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

As a SCH main I don't really mind not having Stoneskin II. WHM is already the "QoL" and easiest healer, so it kinda fits. Scholars don't need things made easy and boring.