Stoneskin II

[Ophie-Mio]

To all scholars in this topic:

I am extremely curious, in 4 man or 8 man+2x Scholars, do you :
A) Protect + Adlo main tank + succor team = GOGOGOGO
B) Protect + Adlo main tank = GOGOGOGO
C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

I do C in every instance, even when doing higher level raids. Just because some do not doesn't mean that I should let people go without proper buffs.

So are you saying you scholars are willing to sacrifice a Cross Class slot for something even more subpar than a "better than nothing" sorta thing?

What else are we gonna use it on? Surecast? SCHs are healers and should do their full preventative abilities when on a team. That means Stoneskins. Even WHMs do not feel like pushing the button eight times and SCHs shouldn't make them.

[ExponentialDecay]

There's no reason to ever not stoneskin everyone. It lasts long enough that everyone is bound to make use of it, and it frees up a gcd that would otherwise go to healing the damage it blocked. Or better, improves survivability during a section of a fight that brings people dangerously close to death.

[Sapphic]

There's no reason to ever not stoneskin everyone. It lasts long enough that everyone is bound to make use of it, and it frees up a gcd that would otherwise go to healing the damage it blocked. Or better, improves survivability during a section of a fight that brings people dangerously close to death.

So you use 4 GCDs to save 1? Ok........

1 Succor is more effective than Stoneskin on the party, uses 1 GCD and a lot less mana.

Pretty much, it does seem like some people are making it a "WHM should be better because SCH smells bad" thing when they were made by SE themselves to complement each other.

WHM is betterthan SCH, for somethings. Yet SCH are better than WHM too.

I do find SCH a lot more interesting to play due to their greater flexibility than WHM, also I do a little cheer inside when I get paired with a WAR in DF XD Dem 2k crit adlos ftw! So much easier to heal WAR with SCH than WHM (and in reverse for PLD).

[ExponentialDecay]

So you use 4 GCDs to save 1? Ok........

1 Succor is more effective than Stoneskin on the party, uses 1 GCD and a lot less mana.

Don't be obtuse. GCD's before the pull and after the pull are of completely different value.

What else are we gonna use it on? Surecast? SCHs are healers and should do their full preventative abilities when on a team. That means Stoneskins. Even WHMs do not feel like pushing the button eight times and SCHs shouldn't make them.

Proper crossclass skills are: Stoneskin, Protect, Aero, Cleric Stance, Swiftcast.

[Starbirth]

I don't really care about SSII. Sch still > Whm.

[DreamWeaver]

Memory kinda hazy but if I'm not wrong Scholar currently has these for cross-classing:
1) Cure (lol)
2) Stoneskin (taken)
3) Protect (taken)
4) Aero (taken)
5) SwiftCast (taken)
6) Cleric Stance (taken)
7) SureCast
8) Bliz 2

Even if you don't like any of my taken CC skills, take a look at Surecast and Bliz 2:
I won't touch much upon surecast since it seems universally considered to be useless (but hey...when you're low life and a mob's smacking you and your swift cast is down, without surecast you'll have to pray your heal goes thru without being interrupted by said mob ).

But what about Bliz2? Once you have bane-ed the crap out of everything, what else is there to do? Ruin is a 80 Potency ST skill, blizzard is a 50 Potency AoE skill, just hitting 2 adds with Bliz2 is considered a DPS increase over using ruin, does that not qualify a cross class slot for you?

[ExponentialDecay]

you forgot the best cross-class skill, cleric stance. scholar has 5 good cross-class skills to take and none to replace

[DreamWeaver]

you forgot the best cross-class skill, cleric stance. scholar has 5 good cross-class skills to take and none to replace

hahaha was hoping nobody caught that, damn you ExponentialDecay ><.

So my original question still stands, IF SE really allows Scholars to cross class Stoneskin 2, are you guys willing to give up 1 of these CC skills?
Or are you then gonna complain "UHHH we have not enough CC slots, SE plz give us unique "Mini-Stoneskin 2 spell plz?".

My crystal ball says that will not be possible because:
During combat, Adlo >>>> SS (for SCH, not WHM) , nobody would use both adlo and SS in combat, thus for Scholars, their SS is mostly used OUTSIDE OF COMBAT.
If they were to get their very own "Mini-Stoneskin 2", this will make Stoneskin 1 completely useless to them, thus freeing up another CC slot for usage.

EDIT : Reading back what I typed, I think I've just answered myself, you can probably take away Stoneskin as CC skill and replace SS2 with it, so I wish you luck in your crusade in getting SS2 as CC skill for Scholar

[Ophie-Mio]

During combat, Adlo >>>> SS, nobody would use both adlo and SS in combat, thus for Scholars, their SS is mostly used OUTSIDE OF COMBAT.

I don't feel like getting into a huge debate over the validity of which cross class a single person prefers since I agree with Rori above...but...
As this is actually a thing for my group who goes double SCH for T9, you actually should Adloq/SS for Ravensbeak. Adloq + Swiftcast SS. And T10 for the Critical Rip.
Whm can't do everything. Or maybe I'm just too used to working double sch?
When we do it with a WHM, they still end up leaving the Stoneskin business to me for Mega-Flare. *shrugs*
So yeah, not really mostly used out of combat.

Ps. Though I honestly just think that it should have been Stoneskin with a trait. Out of combat, AOE. In combat, single-target. Frees up a hot key slot for everyone.