Stoneskin II

[DreamWeaver]

Memory kinda hazy but if I'm not wrong Scholar currently has these for cross-classing:
1) Cure (lol)
2) Stoneskin (taken)
3) Protect (taken)
4) Aero (taken)
5) SwiftCast (taken)
6) Cleric Stance (taken)
7) SureCast
8) Bliz 2

Even if you don't like any of my taken CC skills, take a look at Surecast and Bliz 2:
I won't touch much upon surecast since it seems universally considered to be useless (but hey...when you're low life and a mob's smacking you and your swift cast is down, without surecast you'll have to pray your heal goes thru without being interrupted by said mob ).

But what about Bliz2? Once you have bane-ed the crap out of everything, what else is there to do? Ruin is a 80 Potency ST skill, blizzard is a 50 Potency AoE skill, just hitting 2 adds with Bliz2 is considered a DPS increase over using ruin, does that not qualify a cross class slot for you?

[ExponentialDecay]

you forgot the best cross-class skill, cleric stance. scholar has 5 good cross-class skills to take and none to replace

[DreamWeaver]

you forgot the best cross-class skill, cleric stance. scholar has 5 good cross-class skills to take and none to replace

hahaha was hoping nobody caught that, damn you ExponentialDecay ><.

So my original question still stands, IF SE really allows Scholars to cross class Stoneskin 2, are you guys willing to give up 1 of these CC skills?
Or are you then gonna complain "UHHH we have not enough CC slots, SE plz give us unique "Mini-Stoneskin 2 spell plz?".

My crystal ball says that will not be possible because:
During combat, Adlo >>>> SS (for SCH, not WHM) , nobody would use both adlo and SS in combat, thus for Scholars, their SS is mostly used OUTSIDE OF COMBAT.
If they were to get their very own "Mini-Stoneskin 2", this will make Stoneskin 1 completely useless to them, thus freeing up another CC slot for usage.

EDIT : Reading back what I typed, I think I've just answered myself, you can probably take away Stoneskin as CC skill and replace SS2 with it, so I wish you luck in your crusade in getting SS2 as CC skill for Scholar

[desufin]

This thread is depressing to say the least. SCH does not need or should not desire a useless crossclass skill as a 10% Stoneskin II would be. You can't even justify ever replacing Cleric Stance, Aero, Stoneskin, Swiftcast and Protect over something as trivial and useless as a 10% HP AoE non-combat Stoneskin. Try it, because you can't.

[Roris]

Well since cross class abilities are swappable, Aero when there's a WHM in the party, Stoneskin 2 when there isn't, problem solved.

Of course it could have been solved if they managed to bake the out of combat AoE into Stoneskin 1 itself, but hey, let's give them the benefit of doubt.

[ExponentialDecay]

Well since cross class abilities are swappable, Aero when there's a WHM in the party, Stoneskin 2 when there isn't, problem solved.

Of course it could have been solved if they managed to bake the out of combat AoE into Stoneskin 1 itself, but hey, let's give them the benefit of doubt.

I'm just going to assume this was simply a quick fix and they'll change how stoneskin works at a later date. Hopefully around when Heavensward drops.

[DreamWeaver]

@Roris

That'll only work for if you queue for any 8 mans with 2 healers/full party.

If you solo queue as a SCH, then you enter an instance and find yourself with 2 scholars, I think swapping your CC skills in an instance make those skills go on a long CD? (Not sure, been quite some time since I swap CCs around in instances).

[Ophie-Mio]

During combat, Adlo >>>> SS, nobody would use both adlo and SS in combat, thus for Scholars, their SS is mostly used OUTSIDE OF COMBAT.

I don't feel like getting into a huge debate over the validity of which cross class a single person prefers since I agree with Rori above...but...
As this is actually a thing for my group who goes double SCH for T9, you actually should Adloq/SS for Ravensbeak. Adloq + Swiftcast SS. And T10 for the Critical Rip.
Whm can't do everything. Or maybe I'm just too used to working double sch?
When we do it with a WHM, they still end up leaving the Stoneskin business to me for Mega-Flare. *shrugs*
So yeah, not really mostly used out of combat.

Ps. Though I honestly just think that it should have been Stoneskin with a trait. Out of combat, AOE. In combat, single-target. Frees up a hot key slot for everyone.

[Ghishlain]

I definitely understand what you're saying, and definitely agree with you on several posts - though I'm sure many will still feel what they feel, regardless the point. D: I'mma abandon ship on the thread - you might want to do the same, because it's really not doing any good x_x /soothe
I think at this point, there's not much that can be said that will be listened to, from either side x_x

Yeah, I think so too. I imagine I'll get myself temp banned at some point if I keep running my mouth off as is, heh.

[DreamWeaver]

@Ophie-Mio

If you 2 x Scholar for raid content, of course SCH SS becomes extremely valuable .
Oh and I should be clearer, the Adlo >>>>SS comment is for SCHs exclusively, not overall, but as you say if you double scholar, then yup SS becomes as valuable as Adlo for SCHs.

but that means you cannot cross class SS2 in exchange for SS unfortunately .
And if you're really willing to swap around your cross class skills every time your team composition is different....guess you deserve to use Stoneskin 2