Stoneskin II

[ExponentialDecay]

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Nah, Succor is a 150 potency heal and 150 potency shield, effectively 300 potency. Medica is a 300 potency heal. Succor costs 399 to Medica's 372. If you're trying to recover damage then medica is clearly better. Succor is only mildly better in the case of preventing incoming damage, and even then not that great. Medica is outright a stronger skill than Succor.

It "shortchanges" us because it is a quality of life improvement. If scholars have no need for it then neither did white mages to begin with. There is no reason to not want scholars to have an aoe version of the stoneskin they can cast.

call it "stonesuccor"

[Roris]

Yet SCH's Protect doesn't have the Shell trait and seeing how a big chunk if not the majority of the damage in the game is magical based, they're already at a disadvantage there, so it still balances out. Again, SCH only want an AoE out of combat SS so it's faster to SS at the start before a pull. Besides Succor heals way less than a Medica so the Succor + the shield ends up being about what a Medica would do.

[Adeline]

I just find it funny that all the schs want this newly implemented spell...you all will prolly get it one day, but are immediately getting upset you're not getting it now.

You're basically a Stephen Colbert gif



I don't care if you get it, hell I'm for it, but to make a thread about it, it's just idk...the scenarios where you all would be needing to mass spam Stoneskin are slim, other than grouping up during DF for ST/Primals/hella ez raids like Praetorium. I'm sorry you guys have to wait a little longer and manually click still, but like I said, you'll prolly get it...

Just not for another year like we did.

KEKE

[Ghishlain]

Topic of the thread:

-WHMs got QoL change that gives them AoE Stoneskin w/ Graniteskin trait (QoL = Convinient)
-SCH requests a similar QoL change to all cross class Stoneskin for similar convenience (while maintaining the normal 10% of max HP shield)

This QoL change for WHM in no way shape or form impedes on a SCH's ability to heal.
Likewise, a QoL change for SCH to have AoE Stoneskin cross classed in no way shape or form impedes on a WHMs ability to heal

Is this QoL game breaking in general? No.
Would it be nice to have. Yes.

Aside from it being a programming issue potentially, why NOT allow it?

All I really see is people feeling their now SUPER SPECIAL that they have an AoE Stoneskin and don't want to share a QoL adjustment with their healing bretheren even though it wouldn't make or break anything in the game.

@.@ Like... seriously?!

[Ophie-Mio]

Seriously, that was my first issue with it. I'm a WHM and SCH so why can't I get the spell on both my healing classes?? Why so obviously discard that SCH actually does buff the party as well??

Hell, in Third coil, to help save time, I did ALL the SS on SCH because I could go back to full MP quicker than our WHM. Even when I was doing CT or ST, I still did my part and buffed the party. Just because some SCHs are lazy doesn't mean we shouldn't get it as a cross class ability.
And lemme tell you, a Stoneskin from a sch and a whm blows off in one hit so who really cares where it's coming from? Just give me the ability to buff just as much on sch.

Also, this doesn't help when you go double sch to things. It's my group's preferred farming team and it sucks that we still have to go the slower route.

Wanna know something funny though? It's quicker than ever to stoneskin an entire party and I STILL see WHM's not doing it before fights.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Also, no. Why? Because they are two different things. Stoneskin II doesn't heal at all. Succor isn't just our QOL buff. It's literally our only aoe heal.

[Saseal]

Aside from it being a programming issue potentially, why NOT allow it?

All I really see is people feeling their now SUPER SPECIAL that they have an AoE Stoneskin and don't want to share a QoL adjustment with their healing bretheren even though it wouldn't make or break anything in the game.

@.@ Like... seriously?!

I definitely understand what you're saying, and definitely agree with you on several posts - though I'm sure many will still feel what they feel, regardless the point. D: I'mma abandon ship on the thread - you might want to do the same, because it's really not doing any good x_x /soothe
I think at this point, there's not much that can be said that will be listened to, from either side x_x


Though, I don't think it's so much as not wanting to share it (I wouldn't mind if SCH gets SSII - I'm a little surprised they didn't if it's a QoL - easier for everyone, and then this thread would never have happened *twitch*), but rather trying to put logic to reasoning vs sharing QoL + strong opinions + the initial aggressive tone of the thread (first post is easy to read as 'since we don't have it, then WHM shouldn't have it') is just not really helping anything. Anger begets anger, unfortunately :/

I kind of hope this thread just.... dies - just because of it's general toxicity towards each other that we seriously just do not need.

The last thing I'd want is to be paired up with either healer class (WHM or SCH) and have it come up with negative comments towards either class the second I or they start casting it.

[Roris]

The last thing I'd want is to be paired up with either healer class (WHM or SCH) and have it come up with negative comments towards either class the second I or they start casting it.

Pretty much, it does seem like some people are making it a "WHM should be better because SCH smells bad" thing when they were made by SE themselves to complement each other.

C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

When the tank is patient enough, when someone is in a CS at the start or with buddies, always SS at the start, there's no reason not to and all SS2 for SCHs would do is make it faster like it already does for WHMs. I play both healers and I like both, though I'm better at SCH. I wouldn't mind giving up Aero for it, I'm sure whoever actually uses Blizzard 2 or Surecast wouldn't either.

[Ghishlain]

I definitely understand what you're saying, and definitely agree with you on several posts - though I'm sure many will still feel what they feel, regardless the point. D: I'mma abandon ship on the thread - you might want to do the same, because it's really not doing any good x_x /soothe
I think at this point, there's not much that can be said that will be listened to, from either side x_x

Yeah, I think so too. I imagine I'll get myself temp banned at some point if I keep running my mouth off as is, heh.

[RazeLandale]

There's no reason not to give it to sch anyway, but I'd mind a whole lot less if I did ST or whatever with 4 whms and 2 schs and it didn't put the two schs together.

[DreamWeaver]

To all scholars in this topic:

I am extremely curious, in 4 man or 8 man+2x Scholars, do you :
A) Protect + Adlo main tank + succor team = GOGOGOGO
B) Protect + Adlo main tank = GOGOGOGO
C) Protect + Adlo main tank + Succor Team + Stoneskin team = GOGOGO

If you answer A or B, then you do not need AoE stoneskin .

Honestly outside of raids (which you should have both WHM and SCH, so this argument is moot), Stoneskin-ing everyone is like a "better than nothing" sorta thing.
So are you saying you scholars are willing to sacrifice a Cross Class slot for something even more subpar than a "better than nothing" sorta thing?

I'm not objecting nor agreeing SCHs should get SS2, but I am just very curious regarding my above question.

P/S: Unless of course SE is kind enough to give you Scholars "Mini-Stoneskin II" as your unique skill, then hey knock yourself out with Succor + Stoneskin, which makes it slightly superior to "better than nothing" sorta thing that WHMs have.