Stoneskin II

[ExponentialDecay]

Succor is an analogue to medica, not stoneskin. Succor does not get the doubled shield strength bonus that adloquium gets. Stoneskin applies a(n) 10%/18% shield based on the targets maximum health.

[Roris]

Yet SCH's Protect doesn't have the Shell trait and seeing how a big chunk if not the majority of the damage in the game is magical based, they're already at a disadvantage there, so it still balances out. Again, SCH only want an AoE out of combat SS so it's faster to SS at the start before a pull. Besides Succor heals way less than a Medica so the Succor + the shield ends up being about what a Medica would do.

[Riepah]

Scholar has a marked advantage here, why would any Scholar waste a cross-class slot on Stoneskin II? I know I wouldn't.

Because it sure beats Blizzard II or Surecast. What Succor does or doesn't do really has nothing to do with the matter at hand, though. Succor could heal for over 9000 and render everyone invulnerable for 0,5 seconds and it still wouldn't change anything about the point that's being made.

If it is finally officially deemed tedious enough to manually Stoneskin every single person before a fight to implement a new skill that functions as an easier, faster, more convenient method, why is this method reserved to WHMs only? It is true that WHMs are expected to be the ones who use Stoneskin in groups where they are present, but it is just as true that Scholars are expected to Stoneskin in groups where WHMs aren't present. Why is it that a SCH shouldn't deserve the same convenience of only pushing one button instead of 8, and only needing a quarter of the casting time?

[Adeline]

I just find it funny that all the schs want this newly implemented spell...you all will prolly get it one day, but are immediately getting upset you're not getting it now.

You're basically a Stephen Colbert gif



I don't care if you get it, hell I'm for it, but to make a thread about it, it's just idk...the scenarios where you all would be needing to mass spam Stoneskin are slim, other than grouping up during DF for ST/Primals/hella ez raids like Praetorium. I'm sorry you guys have to wait a little longer and manually click still, but like I said, you'll prolly get it...

Just not for another year like we did.

KEKE

[Ghishlain]

Topic of the thread:

-WHMs got QoL change that gives them AoE Stoneskin w/ Graniteskin trait (QoL = Convinient)
-SCH requests a similar QoL change to all cross class Stoneskin for similar convenience (while maintaining the normal 10% of max HP shield)

This QoL change for WHM in no way shape or form impedes on a SCH's ability to heal.
Likewise, a QoL change for SCH to have AoE Stoneskin cross classed in no way shape or form impedes on a WHMs ability to heal

Is this QoL game breaking in general? No.
Would it be nice to have. Yes.

Aside from it being a programming issue potentially, why NOT allow it?

All I really see is people feeling their now SUPER SPECIAL that they have an AoE Stoneskin and don't want to share a QoL adjustment with their healing bretheren even though it wouldn't make or break anything in the game.

@.@ Like... seriously?!

[Gilraen]

Succor is an analogue to medica, not stoneskin. Succor does not get the doubled shield strength bonus that adloquium gets. Stoneskin applies a(n) 10%/18% shield based on the targets maximum health.

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

[Ophie-Mio]

Seriously, that was my first issue with it. I'm a WHM and SCH so why can't I get the spell on both my healing classes?? Why so obviously discard that SCH actually does buff the party as well??

Hell, in Third coil, to help save time, I did ALL the SS on SCH because I could go back to full MP quicker than our WHM. Even when I was doing CT or ST, I still did my part and buffed the party. Just because some SCHs are lazy doesn't mean we shouldn't get it as a cross class ability.
And lemme tell you, a Stoneskin from a sch and a whm blows off in one hit so who really cares where it's coming from? Just give me the ability to buff just as much on sch.

Also, this doesn't help when you go double sch to things. It's my group's preferred farming team and it sucks that we still have to go the slower route.

Wanna know something funny though? It's quicker than ever to stoneskin an entire party and I STILL see WHM's not doing it before fights.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Also, no. Why? Because they are two different things. Stoneskin II doesn't heal at all. Succor isn't just our QOL buff. It's literally our only aoe heal.

[Roris]

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Succor heals for less, to heal what you'd heal with a Medica you have to spam Succor. The shield evens out the healing you don't do by instead preventing damage. In stuff you want to have both Succor and SS to prevent damage, you'll want to have both a WHM and a SCH anyway, that stuff isn't the majority of the game's content.

[Sapphic]

Since people here are so adamant that there is no need for SCH to Stoneskin a raid before a fight, I shall not Stoneskin a raid before a fight anymore when on SCH. Thank you for opening my eyes, forum people.

Let the PLD do it ^^ Shields for the same.

The cast time and mana cost are exactly twice what they are for SS.
And I still need swiftcast to get it off before someone pulls in Syrcus Tower.

Incorrect, it is much cheaper as you have to multiply the cost of single Stoneskin by the number of people you are buffing.

I main SCH on my alt, and tbh, very rarely use SS on 4 peep anyways, fey illu+crit adlo on tank pre pull, for large pulls eye for an eye, gives me plenty of time to SC shadowflare, dot and bane, pop rouse and ruin spam a bit. Top up when needed.

WHMs are top for AE healing, SCH are top for single target and flexibility. So making AE SS WHM only, to me makes sense. Albeit, if they added for SCH I wouldn't object Then again, I wouldnt miss it either if they don't.

Also, no. Why? Because they are two different things. Stoneskin II doesn't heal at all. Succor isn't just our QOL buff. It's literally our only aoe heal.

Fey Illumination+Rouse+Whispering Dawn+succor can quickly top up the party for AE plus the added shield from fey illu buffed Succor. Albeit not as good as Divine Seal+medica 2 or Cure 3. But WHMs biggest strength is Party AE heal anyways.

[ExponentialDecay]

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Nah, Succor is a 150 potency heal and 150 potency shield, effectively 300 potency. Medica is a 300 potency heal. Succor costs 399 to Medica's 372. If you're trying to recover damage then medica is clearly better. Succor is only mildly better in the case of preventing incoming damage, and even then not that great. Medica is outright a stronger skill than Succor.

It "shortchanges" us because it is a quality of life improvement. If scholars have no need for it then neither did white mages to begin with. There is no reason to not want scholars to have an aoe version of the stoneskin they can cast.

call it "stonesuccor"