Stoneskin II

[DSN]

Last I checked benediction is not based on your stats, if you're comparing lustrate (SCHs version of benediction essentially) to anything aside from benediction then in my opinion it's an unfair comparison.

Last I checked Lustrate didnt have a 5 min Cooldown

[DoctorPepper]

Last I checked Lustrate didnt have a 5 min Cooldown

Last I checked the overall healing potency of medica 2 is 700 potency per player (200 pot from initial heal and then an additional 500 pot over 30s), but what do I know. Benediction should definitely have a shorter CD, then WHM can have the best instant and the best potency cure and AoE cure in the entire game.

Plus, a good SCH doesn't spend all of their aetherflow on lustrate, there are other abilities that require it, like sacred soil, bane and energy drain. Only a terrible SCH is going to blow every stack of aetherflow on lustrate.

Please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against whm and I play both jobs. That's why they seem pretty even ended in my opinion, I'm just disagreeing with people who are essentially calling SCH OP when it is very much not.

[Roris]

They messed up by not baking the out of combat AoE into Stoneskin and by not making it cross class the way they actually implemented it. If you don't Stoneskin, you're a bad healer especially in dungeons, especially knowing damage is coming, especially since there's no downside not to, especially since Swiftcast + SS2 is great in between pulls.

Again, it's just saving time, it's all there is and I'll be laughing the second they make it cross class, which they're most likely already planning on by 2.48.

[Lavieh]

They messed up by not baking the out of combat AoE into Stoneskin and by not making it cross class the way they actually implemented it. If you don't Stoneskin, you're a bad healer especially in dungeons, especially knowing damage is coming, especially since there's no downside not to, especially since Swiftcast + SS2 is great in between pulls.

Again, it's just saving time, it's all there is and I'll be laughing the second they make it cross class, which they're most likely already planning on by 2.48.

Lol, I can't believe people think this XD. You could do every dungeon in this game without Protect and be just fine. I don't think I'd judge a healer on how they stoneskin in dungeons. I almost never expect a SCH to use unless they need to mitigate more damage than an adlo would. Which is very seldom. Stoneskin is a very niche skill on SCH, very niche.

[Roris]

Lol, I can't believe people think this XD. You could do every dungeon in this game without Protect and be just fine. I don't think I'd judge a healer on how they stoneskin in dungeons. I almost never expect a SCH to use unless they need to mitigate more damage than an adlo would. Which is very seldom. Stoneskin is a very niche skill on SCH, very niche.

Well sounds like you've just had lazy Scholars then, in dungeons and HM trials it's always great to have that extra protection, someone will bound to get hit even if there isn't an AoE coming, so you can stay longer in Cleric Stance. So if you think it's niche because you haven't seen many Scholars do it then I'm sorry for your experiences.

I AM not hating on WHMs at all which you seem to think I am. I have no animosity at all towards WHMs. I love my WHM partner in coil.

I will repeat myself yet again. Our in battle skills are completely IRRELEVANT to this conversation. Can we stop turning this into a WHM vs SCH whine fest because that's NOT what this convo is about. This is about a single QUALITY OF LIFE skill that no one can tell me why should be WHM only besides the fact that it makes them feel special. Can we all agree that SSII has no effect on in battle balance at all? Please?

It's sad that people are still trying to make this a healer vs healer thing. I agree entirely with you, especially as someone who plays both and likes them both but is only really good at one.

[Lavieh]

Well sounds like you've just had lazy Scholars then

Sorry I play almost exclusively with a SCH that has healed through and cleared content that most sch's will never see. But she is lazy... very lazy in dungeons.. But that doesn't matter because dungeons are braindead easy, stoneskin on the whole party is not needed.

[Roris]

Sorry I play almost exclusively with a SCH that has healed through and cleared content that most sch's will never see. But she is lazy... very lazy in dungeons.. But that doesn't matter because dungeons are braindead easy, stoneskin on the whole party is not needed.

So Stoneskin 2 isn't needed then? Might as well have them remove it from the game then, you've heard it here first folks.

[BigPapaSmurf]

NAYSAYERS: Stoneskin II is MERELY for speeding up the PRE-PULL buffing process. SCH ALREADY has access to Stoneskin I, so SCH can already buff the party with it (since it stacks with Lustrate) if they want.

Giving SCH Stoneskin II adds NOTHING to their combat-prowess as it is OUT-OF-COMBAT ONLY.

Stop the debate.

[Corfish]

But it changes literally nothing. It speeds up pulls. That is all it does. And thematically who cares, I'm already using stoneskin...

[Lavieh]

But it changes literally nothing. It speeds up pulls. That is all it does. And thematically who cares, I'm already using stoneskin...

I don't think it matters either way, I think expressing anger or discontent over it is silly. I think that urging SE to "Do something about it" when there is much more that needs to be done is silly. I also think the mentality of the SCH's that are pushing really hard for it to happen is extremely silly.

Either way it goes it won't have an impact on the game, so why should resources be devoted to making it happen.