Stoneskin II

[ExponentialDecay]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.

This is an incredibly nonsensical reply. After all, scholar DOES get stoneskin. All we want is the same aoe version that white mage is afforded at our regular 10%. White mage is already set apart by getting an 18% barrier to our 10%

[SulwynCaliope]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.


Original request was mine April 2014

Then can WHM not be allowed to use virus and E4E too? Those are SCH skills. We need things to set ourselves apart.

Edit: Is SSII what WHMs needed to tell themselves that they're OMG SPECIAL? Because I'm seeing a lot of replies to that effect and it baffles me.

[Roris]

Here is why SCH doesn't get Stoneskin II, Because SCH isn't WHM. If you want Stoneskin II play WHM. Or remove SCH from the game. They are different jobs. play them differently. They need things to set themselves apart.


Original request was mine April 2014

By that silly logic cross class abilities shouldn't be a thing at all, yet they are and jobs still play differently.

but i see it as overpowering towards sch, when sch has aoe galvanize which when critted is pretty OP, and on top of that sch already crosses the simple SS. Convenience at pull? If you already succor the party before pull, and on top of that you would have SS2, wouldn't it make your party pretty much invincible and ready to go without even waiting?

I don't think any dungeon or boss fight does AoE damage right off the bat aside from maybe T2 and I know I'm forgetting something else, when most of them do then Succor is gone long before the AoE damage starts, in dungeons Succor is always a waste at the start and you only need to Adlo + SS your tank. Yes by that "no AoE right off the bat" logic SS2 isn't needed either, but there it is and the reason for it is because SS lasts longer. In most situations, aka the majority of content since Coil isn't most of the game content, that SS shouldn't fall off anyone beside the tank until something does AoE damage which can take quite a while, and Succor will have fallen off ages before that happens. Unlike Succor, SS2 can't be used in battle either, so no OPness there.

[Wildsprite]

personally I think they should just give SCH their own version of SS and SSII with no stat modifier like CNJ/WHM gets make them ACN skills that are very weak and virtually useless to ACN/SMN but very useful to SCH, or even better take 2 of the ACN skills and make them turn into skills that are the equivelent of SS and SSII

oh and to answer someone that asked for Adlo and Succor, unfortunately no job skills are cross at all. I would be okay with it if they decided to make "Cross Job" skills

[Ghishlain]

Again, I have to say, it's amazing how many people miss the point of the thread @.@

inb4 someone tells me to stop repeating myself~!

[Gilraen]

Here's the thing between Succor and Stoneskin II. Succor only lasts 30 seconds but it's protection is vastly superior, especially with a properly geared Scholar (i.e. crit-stacked like a boss). Further, Succor heals as it protects. Stoneskin II doesn't heal and only offers a fixed level of protection depending on I want to say the conjurer's HP, though it could be the target's HP. Either way, it's a fixed amount. Stoneskin alone barely lasts a few seconds once combat starts, and that's with the boosting trait. Stoneskin II can't be reapplied during combat but Succor can be spammed all day long. Scholar has a marked advantage here, why would any Scholar waste a cross-class slot on Stoneskin II? I know I wouldn't.

[Riepah]

Scholar has a marked advantage here, why would any Scholar waste a cross-class slot on Stoneskin II? I know I wouldn't.

Because it sure beats Blizzard II or Surecast. What Succor does or doesn't do really has nothing to do with the matter at hand, though. Succor could heal for over 9000 and render everyone invulnerable for 0,5 seconds and it still wouldn't change anything about the point that's being made.

If it is finally officially deemed tedious enough to manually Stoneskin every single person before a fight to implement a new skill that functions as an easier, faster, more convenient method, why is this method reserved to WHMs only? It is true that WHMs are expected to be the ones who use Stoneskin in groups where they are present, but it is just as true that Scholars are expected to Stoneskin in groups where WHMs aren't present. Why is it that a SCH shouldn't deserve the same convenience of only pushing one button instead of 8, and only needing a quarter of the casting time?

[ExponentialDecay]

Succor is an analogue to medica, not stoneskin. Succor does not get the doubled shield strength bonus that adloquium gets. Stoneskin applies a(n) 10%/18% shield based on the targets maximum health.

[Gilraen]

Succor is an analogue to medica, not stoneskin. Succor does not get the doubled shield strength bonus that adloquium gets. Stoneskin applies a(n) 10%/18% shield based on the targets maximum health.

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

[Roris]

You still can't ignore Succor's healing. It's healing while it's protecting, and all during combat. If a conjurer wants to match that they have to cast a healing spell and Stoneskin. Can't cast Stoneskin II, cause there's combat. Out-of-combat there should be no urgency allowing all manner of spell to be cast, but as many have noted, "Ain't nobody got time fo'dat!" I fail to see how Stoneskin II short changes Scholars.

But you know what... why not. If you can get Stoneskin II, then I want Succor. It's only fair.

Succor heals for less, to heal what you'd heal with a Medica you have to spam Succor. The shield evens out the healing you don't do by instead preventing damage. In stuff you want to have both Succor and SS to prevent damage, you'll want to have both a WHM and a SCH anyway, that stuff isn't the majority of the game's content.