Copypasta XIV - What were they thinking?

[Chipmungus]

Complaining over nothing - You probably quit XIV 1.0 (actual 1.0 release) when it was largely only XIV assets in use.

I quit XIV in 1.19 - what are you even talking about?

You must not have played XI since 2003 or something

I played XI from 2004-2013, not that this detail is relevant to anything.

...gave them new rigging and sound effects and removed a lot of attacks from the majority of them.

ITT: Removing animations affects graphical fidelity, and counts as "remastering".

Instead of optimizing it from 1.x, they completely scaled it back.

You'd prefer that I make a thread over new 2010 models looking worse in 2013, than making a thread over 2002 models being re-used in a 2013 game? Imagine the amount of B.S. being posted in that scenario.

Also why did no one complain about the Goobbue? That's also from XI and is definitely changed as well. Can't be that selective.

Probably because it has a new model (which was present in 1.0), unlike the countless other models which have been practically drag-dropped into ARR.

[Tupsi]

Probably because it has a new model (which was present in 1.0), unlike the countless other models which have been practically drag-dropped into ARR.

Funny how you say this:

ITT: Removing animations affects graphical fidelity, and counts as "remastering".

But consider them nearly "drag and drop", when that's not possible at all between two different formats. All it takes is a little google to find out exactly what they've done as people already looked into. Fyi, remastering by definition means to make a new version essentially - them giving the XI monsters new abilities/removing old ones and changing up animations is in all actuality, a remaster because it was redone to fit into XIV/ARR. As said, you can't be selective.

My point is, the logic continuing to be set forth doesn't match up - If they 'drag and dropped', everything from XI/XII/XIII would behave exactly as they did in their respective games and at this point in time, only the XIII monsters retained a bit of what they used to do in the game as it's the closet format to what Luminious/Luminious Branch could handle. Even then for example, the Juggernauts from XIII don't "steam clean" or have that fire ability on every swipe - If you drag and drop something from one game to the next, you normally also have all of their scripting and animations that's tied to the model, no?

I brought up the goobbue because it's also an XI monster - Same with the Goblins, when the Kobold were XIV's "goblins" initially. If you consider Goobbue a new model, then every other V/VII.XI/XII/XIII monster is a new model.

[Fyrebrand]

I saw pasta in the title and, came in expecting to find yummy noms.I r disappoint

Today's special is old leftover spaghetti from 2002, but we put a new sauce on it so it looks new. Hey, my previous restaurant failed, and our grand re-opening was rushed, so I didn't have time to offer a menu of freshly-prepared food. Would you rather I re-open a restaurant that serves decade-old leftovers scraped off plates from other establishments, or not re-open at all? You should be glad I did this. Believe it or not, some people can't even taste the difference! The health inspector is clearly just whining over nothing.

[Chipmungus]

But consider them nearly "drag and drop", when that's not possible at all between two different formats. All it takes is a little google to find out exactly what they've done as people already looked into.

It's possible to export models from just about any engine and import them into another engine.
It's been a while since I messed with XI but those models could be exported into .MQO (metasequoia) using a fan-made model viewer, then converted into .OBJ for use in 3DS Max. From there, you can go just about anywhere.

Fyi, remastering by definition means to make a new version essentially - them giving the XI monsters new abilities/removing old ones and changing up animations is in all actuality, a remaster because it was redone to fit into XIV/ARR. As said, you can't be selective.

FYI, no it doesn't. Remastering requires an increase in [in this case, graphical] quality. Maybe you'd like to google "define remaster"?

If you consider Goobbue a new model, then every other V/VII.XI/XII/XIII monster is a new model.

At this point, you're just embarrassing yourself. The new Goobbue model has an order of magnitude more polygons than its XI counterpart.

Please stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Roris]

You're disagreeing with..?

He disagrees with you pointing out flaws in this perfect masterpiece of a game. Some people just feel compelled or even obligated to deflect any sort of criticism against this game for some weird fanatical reason and just flat out lie about how those imported models are really really really different when they really aren't.

At least one person in this thread correctly recognizes it was done to save costs due to the time they had to develop ARR, that's an acceptable response and the exact reasoning behind this blatant model importing from other games. Another poster also correctly mentioned they're simply trash, only bosses matter in this game's design philosophy and they're the only ones that are allowed to have involved mechanics and bigger move sets, thus it's acceptable to straight up import them from other modernish games in the series since no one would notice or care. Regular monsters don't have the importance or moves they had in XI, in modern WoW clones they're simply trash, which is also fine.

Another final reason is Dragon Quest never changes its character designs like Final Fantasy does, thus part of that design philosophy also carried over considering the director's previous work history.

[Wyyote]

A bit of this may primarily be the content you're experiencing. It looks like your levelling through much of the lower content. What I can say is once you begin experiencing the latter parts of the game much of this subsides. Basically you end up in a large number of boss battles, and in coil or tower for example, the mobs are fairly unique. Even the trash.

So your observation is accurate, but may vary from what many people are experiencing with their in-game routine. It's a valid concern, but something I don't even think twice about.

In summary - Please look forward to it

[Shadowedge]

You're wasting your breath OP. Every time we have this thread you get the same blind idiots who can't tell the difference between using mainstay Final Fantasy monsters but updating their art/models/etc. (like bombs) and directly reusing art assets from XI and XII (like pugils).

I suppose the better option would be for all of us to still be waiting for ARR to release? Because, you know... That stuff takes time.

This thread is pretentious and a perfect example of complaining for the sake of complaining.

[Chipmungus]

Another final reason is Dragon Quest never changes its character designs like Final Fantasy does, thus part of that design philosophy also carried over considering the director's previous work history.

Thanks for this - I have zero experience with Dragon Quest. Makes a lot of sense.

I've been debating making this thread for a long, long time but wanted to see if the models would be subtly swapped out once subscription fees began to flow.

I only recently began playing in earnest and upon reaching the final boss of Amdapor Keep, realised I was battling the same dragon I fought during Mission 2-3 of FFXI, ten years ago.

This thread is pretentious and a perfect example of complaining for the sake of complaining.

On the contrary, I could have made this post on the launch day of ARR. I've waited a year to mention it. What exactly is pretentious about it?

[Warlyx]

dragons in FFXIV looks like FFXI dragons too

Amdapor/CT 1 boss , is the shadow dragon used in some Bcnm ( 2.3 mission , drg quest ecT)



and sure a lot of u know that 1




nothing wrong with that for me , FFXI nostalgia

SE needs to bring back the FFXI marchs , that login screens were AWESOME , sometimes u dont even logged just to hear that music

[Felis]

Probably because it has a new model (which was present in 1.0), unlike the countless other models which have been practically drag-dropped into ARR.

Some of the mobs/beastmen in your list were not dropped into ARR, they were already at 1.0 launch there
As an example, the Qiqirn were already in XIV before ARR

and sure a lot of u know that 1

Not a tiny bit the same model