Women and Armor!

[zar]

What is the name of that hand gear?

Also the Saurian boots are nice Thigh-highs boots

Darklight Gloves of Casting

[Teryaani]

Right, cause I'm totally gonna glamour every set that I spiritbond or wear to level up. >.>

If it's a transitional/disposable/convertable/desynthable piece then why are you worrying about how it looks? For me, I only sweat the endgame gear. My ninja right now is in a mismatched hobo-suit. Once it hits 50, then I'll worry about it.

Which one do you find less stupid?

Neither, those pictures are equally awesome.

[Felis]

I get that many want that "seductive ninja" look. I do. I just think that there should be a different set of armor that is not critical to the story which grants this rather than getting female ninjas who don't wish to have a window into their cleavage to buy a bunch of glamour prisms and farm LotA for a ninja suit that doesn't have those things.

They know and are working on it

We checked in with the dev. team and it seems like adding the gear that the kunoichi and shinobi in Syrcus Tower wear would technically be possible.

Adding this gear as wearable equipment will require the work of various teams so we can’t promise that it can be added anytime soon. However, the development team is aware that there is a demand for simpler styled gear such as that!

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Why are men's clothes neutral? Because being a MAN is normal. Being a woman is abnormal. Recognize the double standard? This is the attitude men (and women!) in the entertainment industry are accustomed to, and that the audience has come to expect. It is not inherently natural by any means, but the result of centuries of culture that we're slowly managing to overcome.

Hairy legs are unappealing? YOU find them unappealing, obviously. Likely most heterosexual men find them unappealing. Gay/bi men and het women? A matter of taste, to be sure, but there's enough bara artwork out there for me to rest easy saying that, hell yes, they are sexy to an awful lot of people. Your arguments come from a distinctly heterosexual male perspective, and while that may be natural since you are a heterosexual male, your arguments have the disturbing air that the heterosexual male view is the correct and natural view, the one that developers should cater to. Other views are unnatural and "disturbing".

Also, to the people saying that this thread is pointless, and should be closed - you're partly right. This thread started with a silly video lampshading the "battle bikini" popularized by fantasy, and evolved (or devolved?) into a serious discussion on objectification of women in video games and other entertainment media. As such, it has strayed from the original topic rather drastically.

It's important, though, to bear these double standards in mind. I don't think that there's a lot of us here that watched that video and were confused by it. You watched it, and chuckled along because yes, you understand that the sexualzation of women's "armor" compared to men is ridiculous and clearly meant to be titilating. You recognize the double standard for what it is.

None of us fail to recognize the double standard. The point of debate is whether or not the double standard is HARMFUL. I personally don't think so. As long as you can clearly understand what is fantasy and what is not, you're fine. As long as you treat REAL humans like human beings and not sex toys, as long as you believe and understand that real humans are human beings and not sex toys, it honestly doesn't matter WHAT kind of depraved porn floats your boat. Fantasy is fantasy. Reality is reality.

It is "natural" in the sense that it's how our civilization has developed over the centuries, and NOT in the entertainment industry, unless you are claiming that movies and videogames shaped the concepts of male and female since time immemorial.
It was a "natural" evolution in the sense that there was no extraterrestial force dictacting it - humanity reached its current state by itself, thus every decision that brought us to the current situation was "natural".

Sure, things could have turned out differently, but it's not important, as they DID NOT. I am all for starting a "What if" scenario, but it's hardly relevant with the issue at hand. The state of the world is what it is, and WE, both males and females BOTH, helped to achieve it.

My view might be one of a "heterosexual male", but my girlfriend, for one, agrees with me on all the line and she is an "heterosexual female". She does not like men dressed like girls, because, guess what, her brain has been programmed to LIKE MEN.

There is no "normal" or "abnormal". This is a misconception. There is just what there is.

I agree with you tho on the fact that, ultimately, this is irrelevant. As long as one does not disrespect by default the opposite sex in real life, having female ninjas with boobs showing is, honestly, not a very huge problem.

[Ashkendor]

If it's a transitional/disposable/convertable/desynthable piece then why are you worrying about how it looks? For me, I only sweat the endgame gear. My ninja right now is in a mismatched hobo-suit. Once it hits 50, then I'll worry about it.

I spiritbond one Patrician's set and put on... guess what? Another Patrician's set to spiritbond. :P

Seriously, why does it matter? There's no reason it should look so different for both genders. The best man's suit doesn't suddenly turn into a bustier and a miniskirt when you put it on a female character. o.O

[Teryaani]

I spiritbond one Patrician's set and put on... guess what? Another Patrician's set to spiritbond. :P

Seriously, why does it matter? There's no reason it should look so different for both genders. The best man's suit doesn't suddenly turn into a bustier and a miniskirt when you put it on a female character. o.O

Yes, but you're only using those as a disposable piece for the purposes of spiritbonding, converting, repeating. This isn't an end tier crafting set.

As for your second point, I'd like them to add more options in as well but I'm not going to take them making certain sets, and it is only certain sets - not everything, look differently between genders as being some sign that SE is somehow objectifying women.

[Ashkendor]

Yes, but you're only using those as a disposable piece for the purposes of spiritbonding, converting, repeating. This isn't an end tier crafting set.

As for your second point, I'd like them to add more options in as well but I'm not going to take them making certain sets, and it is only certain sets - not everything, look differently between genders as being some sign that SE is somehow objectifying women.

I never said that it was. I simply said that I dislike how the look changes between male and female and wish that I had a choice in the matter. The DRG artifact gear is actually a good example of this. Aside from the 'stab me here' belly window for females it's a very nice looking set. I loved how it looked on the male avatar, but I'm not so keen on it on the female. I like that armor in particular because of the look and the feel of it - a fairly heavily armored lance wielder. The belly window doesn't really fit with that, hence why I'm considering changing it.

[HakuroDK]

They know and are working on it

Can I just take a moment to point out that, while the NPC wearing that gear is clearly female, there isn't any unnecessary skin showing in this gear set? THAT'S what I'm talking about! This ninja looks like she is to be taken seriously! Why can't the AF gear look more like this anyway? This looks cool!

[SekhmetM]

Meanwhile, dragoon armor has women's stomach exposed. Why? What is that even for?

[HakuroDK]

Meanwhile, dragoon armor has women's stomach exposed. Why? What is that even for?

Good question! Why is that?