Women and Armor!

[Aegis]

That's not the point. Why is a catgirl race present in the first place? I am pretty sure you understand how popular the concept of "catgitls" is, especially for asian anime fans. And guess what - most of the time they are "sexualized in a cutesy way", just like most idols. Miqo'te is a fanservice race, cut and dry - ever wondered why Mithras and 1.0 Miqo'tes were female only?

Show me some fan service gear from XI or early XIV then. That shouldn't be too hard, should it?

Hey, if a female cosplayer (most of them, it seems) wants to dress like that, who are we to limit their freedom? No one if forcing them, please be aware of this.

Why are you arguing about cosplayers? They have nothing to do with gender dimorphic gear. They can choose to cosplay in DRG AF without the belly window, female characters in this game can't.

You are the one who brought up the word "objectify" in the first place.

Because that's what it is, I don't understand why what we are saying isn't getting through to you. You seem intelligent and articulate enough. Is it just that damaging to your sense of self to accept that just maybe you don't care about others (in this case women) as much as you thought you did? To not accept that somethign you like is actually degrading to them?

I just stated that, of course, you can't put Zettai Ryouiki on a male char. I mean, you can, but it would be disgusting. On females it's cute. I still don't see what's wrong with that, it's the same reason in real life girls use skirts and high heels and makeup. Is that "objectifying" as well? Are girls "objectifying" themselves? Nietzsche kinda said this actually, but those were old times I guess.

What if they were not allowed to leave the house without high heels and makeup? Still no problem? It's the removal of choice. Female character's can't wear a coatee without their boobs hanging out. They can't wear DRG AF without showing their midriff or Ninja AF without showing cleavage.

Oh come on. I agree with you on this, but THAT kind of equality has been reached ages ago, now. Let's not compare vote rights to Miqo'te clothes, please.

Really? You really believe women are paid the same as men? It's refusing to see the problem which perpetuates the problem. Perhaps you should consider if you aren't being a little wilfully obtuse. It's not a weakness to re-evaluate your position after arguments from others.

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I don't know what you mean with skimpy. They look normal to me.

Now show me the female DRG AF without a belly window. Or a Miqo'te in a Coatee set that doesn't look like a pharmaceutical sales rep.

Your whole gripe has been about revealing clothing being prevalent and slutty. I'm -glad- men find the female form attractive and enjoy looking at it. If they didn't, the human race would dwindle to extinction. Is that what you want? Wishing women to be covered completely is just as objectifying as saying women should be scantily clad.

Perhaps you haven't understood my 'gripe' or read my posts, one or the other.

I have stated repeatedly that I have no problem with sexy clothing in game or out, but my problem is that female characters cannot choose to have all the same gear that male characters do without having to have it 'sexified' to borow a fellow poster's phrase.