Getting hit by others' enemy AoE while DoL gathering

[Alukah]

You're not understanding that in terms of balance it has to apply to Battles as well.

Please don't use the word balance when you don't have a slight clue of what it means.

Why on earth are you comparing DoL balance with DoM/DoW balance? And even misquoting Yoshida on it yet again (seriously changing dev words to spread misinformation should be bannable)

DoL and Battle balance have absolutely nothing to do with each other, DoL even gets a stealth skill that no battle class has other than Ninja.

This whole thread is about preventing griefing in case you missed it (and I'm sure you did).

[Tupsi]

DoL and Battle balance have absolutely nothing to do with each other

Your usual personal attacks aside - Before you tell someone else they don't understand something, you fail to realize unless it's relating to their specific venues, e.g what Nodes produces versus what battle content produces, they do have something in common.

Both can engage in combat (though you wouldn't want to as a DoL/DoH other than for kicks) which means it would indeed require a general battle system change, since it involves the battle system. I assume you don't do gathering, which means you probably missed the fact if a monster aggros you or you get hit by an AoE you immediately enter Battle. Meaning it's part of the battle system.

[Taliph]

Forcing competition to lose out on resources such as time can be seen as a net gain...

That's not even mentioning that for most trolls, just disturbing another person's playing time is a gain.

How about you post your definition of exploit, I'll go point by point and prove that this is indeed an exploit.

[Alukah]

Not everybody who disagrees with you is out there to attack you, Tupsi, you can say people attack you when you get called XI fanboy, but you like to throw that word everytime someone disagrees with you.

The balance of DoL and Battle classes are not the same, they are not balanced in the same way and I still don't get where are you getting that, not to mention a change like this wouldn't give DoL an unfair advantage over Battle classes, because DoL aren't meant to battle in the first place.

Getting interrupted by a mob you aggroed is perfectly okay, it's part of the punishment for gathering in a high level area without using the tool provided (stealth).

Getting griefed by someone dragging a mob to you while you're stealthed and losing the unspoiled node or mooch is not okay, it's not part of the DoL balance and thats why it's considered griefing.

[Tupsi]

Not everybody who disagrees with you is out there to attack you, Tupsi,.

Oh, I didn't say everyone, you just normally personally attack - Or using your logic, I would have said Taliph was personally attacking me even though he disagrees, no?

DoL aren't meant to battle in the first place.

Tell Yoshida to remove the ability to engage and attack enemies while on DoH/DoL (kind of the requirement to do battle.) You can battle, you just wouldn't survive it nor is it recommended to. (Notice they also went through the trouble of giving them their own battle idle stance change?)

Getting griefed by someone dragging a mob to you while you're stealthed and losing the unspoiled node or mooch is not okay

This is why it would be a general battle system change..as stated. There's no difference between how the same monster interacts with you unless, as said, they do a general change. Someone harassing you will happen no matter what SE does.

[Alukah]

Tell Yoshida to remove the ability to engage and attack enemies while on DoH/DoL (kind of the requirement to do battle.) You can battle, you just wouldn't survive it nor is it recommended to. (Notice they also went through the trouble of giving them their own battle idle stance change?)

Read the line you intentionally ignored:

Getting interrupted by a mob you aggroed is perfectly okay, it's part of the punishment for gathering in a high level area without using the tool provided (stealth).

Being able to battle = self defense if you get aggroed. The point you missed is that it's not a primarily battle class, other than self defense that even DoH gets. Enhancing the already existing stealth will not upset the balance with battle classes, they are completely different and balanced in a different way.

(Notice they also went through the trouble of giving them their own battle idle stance change?)

False, all non battle classes get the PLD stance, they don't get their own. And either way I fail to see the relevance here, it's just a persistent emote.

This is why it would be a general battle system change..as stated. There's no difference between how the same monster interacts with you unless, as said, they do a general change. Someone harassing you will happen no matter what SE does.

And you're still wrong, it's not general, saying that Battle should get it if DoL gets it is plain wrong because they are not and have never been in the same category, not mentioning that should it be implemented it would be on the stealth skill no battle class owns other than Ninja. (actually ninja is a stretch since theirs is special, called Hide)

How come you don't say anything about a few classes having aggro immunity (stealth) while the majority of them don't having it? Using your logic that would also break the balance, unless you now meant to say that engaging a mob is not part of combat.

[TessaJalloh]

This thread sure got dramatic quickly.

[Felis]

Getting griefed by someone dragging a mob to you while you're stealthed and losing the unspoiled node or mooch is not okay, it's not part of the DoL balance and thats why it's considered griefing.

And because of this you can report people for harassment (not for exploid) if it happen more than once.

So I tested it.
I hit a Morbol as a fisher, got hit by his AoE, waited 3 seconds before running away and didn't die

[Alukah]

And because of this you can report people for harassment (not for exploid) if it happen more than once.

I'm well aware, but OP's proposal would remove the issue rather than band-aid it.

And not even a good band-aid, it's unlikely GMs will do anything.

So I tested it.
I hit a Morbol as a fisher, got hit by his AoE, waited 3 seconds before running away and didn't die

I'm not sure you are understanding what the issue is, it's not that people are getting 1 shot by AoEs, when you try to gather from an unspoiled node you cannot leave the node until you're done or the node will disappear, if you get attacked while gathering from an unspoiled node it will close and it will disappear.

As a fisher, if you get attacked while you have a fish mooched you will lose the mooch.

Normally we have the stealth action to avoid pulling aggressive mobs, but it doesn't prevent others from either accidentally or intentionally pulling mobs near you, getting hit by AoEs and losing whatever you're doing.

[Shori]

Tbh, an argument could potentially be made for not allowing AoEs to hit any players who do not have any sort of aggro on the enemy using the AoE.

^ This
Its also an issue when you have multiple people doing the same quest where mobs spawn and suddenly 6 or 8 of them are doing AoEs instead of 2.
Or, altho this may have been fixed since the start of release when it was a huge issue, bringing people out of cutscenes or interactions for story and they have to go thru the whole action again.