Getting hit by others' enemy AoE while DoL gathering

[Viridiana]

However, would that be fair for those leves or fates where you need to pick up items from the ground?

Why not? You're still risking HP to get an item, and it's not like those fates are particularly dangerous unless you're somehow getting swarmed.

[Visgal]

Exactly, the need to apply it to battles as well. So it's not on DoL that gets the feature.

[Taliph]

Exactly, the need to apply it to battles as well. So it's not on DoL that gets the feature.

Preventing griefing is not a "feature"

[Visgal]

Preventing griefing is not a "feature"

You could just use your eyes and ears.


I think we do know you want your single player button.

[Taliph]

You could just use your eyes and ears.


I think we do know you want your single player button.

Not wanting to be griefed while doing a solo activity.... Suddenly I want the whole game single player?

No, the fact that AOE can be aimed by the player with aggro to impact someone else negatively would make it an exploit. Making DoL immune to AOE from mobs that they haven't aggressed would close this exploit. This change would not remove risk of you aggressing a mob accedentally, but it would remove the chance of the DoL being victimized.

[Fynlar]

I feel like many people here are not getting the drastic difference there is between being "immune to AoE attacks" and "not susceptible to AoE attacks from mobs that don't even have aggro on me or my party"

[Tupsi]

I feel like many people here are not getting the drastic difference

You're not understanding that in terms of balance it has to apply to Battles as well. Yoshida has been very clear about keeping the game's balance fair even if he dropped the ball on Ninja. I played since 1.0, and when he took over it's been very clear he's the:

"If I do this for x I HAVE to do this for y as well or it won't be fair."

So it's not that people don't understand (it's not a hard concept), it's the fact it would then have to be applied to the battle system which introduces a whole slew of battle balance issues. As someone said, report for harassment if its the same person multiple times. The game doesn't differentiate between you and someone else when a monster targets an area for an AoE unless it's FATEs for example (due to the special nature of them.)

No, the fact that AOE can be aimed by the player with aggro to impact someone else negatively would make it an exploit..

FFXI Salvage party glitch was an exploit.
Titan-Egi ignoring all damage in Primals was an exploit.

The game working as intended is not an exploit >_>

[Taliph]

The game working as intended is not an exploit >_>

You realize you just said that the devs intended players to grief other players in this fashion.

How is it fair that anyone can restrict your access to nodes as they pop?

[Tupsi]

You realize you just said that the devs intended players to grief other players in this fashion.

No I didn't. Here's how the game works:

Monsters uses an Ability that produces a retical
Retical targets the area the player was.
Ability goes off after cast time.
Anyone in the, you know, Area of Effect will be hit.
Special Exceptions include Fates in which you need to level sync to interact with (and even then you may still get hit without Syncing.)

Using the logic you stated would mean turning a boss that has a cleave ability to hit other players were the devs intending you to grief your party. It simply doesn't work that way nor is it an exploit.

How is it fair that anyone can restrict your access to nodes as they pop?

Same way it's fair that monsters can knock you out of events/interactions due to being "under attack" - It's an intended part of the system. You can't control people harassing others because every time SE tries, people try to fight against the changes they make.

[Taliph]

No I didn't. Here's how the game works:

Monsters uses an Ability that produces a retical
Retical targets the area the player was.
Ability goes off after cast time.
Anyone in the, you know, Area of Effect will be hit.
Special Exceptions include Fates in which you need to level sync to interact with (and even then you may still get hit without Syncing.)

Using the logic you stated would mean turning a boss that has a cleave ability to hit other players were the devs intending you to grief your party. It simply doesn't work that way nor is it an exploit.

So, if the devs did not in fact intend DoL to be griefed in this way, which I know they didn't, makes it using the game system in an exploitive fashion. By definition an exploit.

You cannot have it both ways.

Same way it's fair that monsters can knock you out of events/interactions due to being "under attack" - It's an intended part of the system. You can't control people harassing others because every time SE tries, people try to fight against the changes they make.

You know that they patched that in many cases due to griefing? Like the low level ACN quests that people couldn't complete due to the quest npc being in the middle of aoe spam?