SE enough of the treadmill, please make the game more interesting!

[Sadonix]

I think the issue here is that FFXIV is aiming to be a story driven MMO

If this is the case then I think it's very weird for "story driven" content to be shut down behind the hardest difficulties that is for "good players" only. Last I checked many people still can't get through T5,is this how "story driven" content supposed to operate ? A few MMOs that I have played made it quite clear to seperate the two things at endgame,story and gear progression. FFXIV on the other hand seem to mix them altogether.

[cookiecutter]

If this is the case then I think it's very weird for "story driven" content to be shut down behind the hardest difficulties that is for "good players" only. Last I checked many people still can't get through T5,is this how "story driven" content supposed to operate ? A few MMOs that I have played made it quite clear to seperate the two things at endgame,story and gear progression. FFXIV on the other hand seem to mix them altogether.

Binding coil is a small part of the story that has more to do with past events than current ones. You're only missing out a small part of the story by not completing coil and once 3.0 launches that story will be accessible to all. I believe any good endgame content should have some type of compelling story otherwise the bosses just feel like loot pinatas and lack dramatic flair. It would feel kinda anticlimactic to beat the last boss and, chest full of loot drops with nothing else.

[Sadonix]

Binding coil is a small part of the story that has more to do with past events than current ones. You're only missing out a small part of the story by not completing coil and once 3.0 launches that story will be accessible to all.

Going by that logic one can say the same about gear progression as well,you're only missing out a small part of gear arsenals by not completing coil and once 3.0 launches those gear will be accessible to all. Only that it's pretty much an outdated content by that point.In MMO where they encourage people to keep up with contents that would be quite contradictory,don't you think ? Proclaiming to be "story driven" but the circumstances try to make a large crowd wait and fall back a few months after release in order to see it ?

I believe any good endgame content should have some type of compelling story otherwise the bosses just feel like loot pinatas and lack dramatic flair. It would feel kinda anticlimactic to beat the last boss and, chest full of loot drops with nothing else.

WoW,for an example,has a heroic mode that existed for the reason of challenges and bis loots. There's nothing new story-wise and people still do it. That should prove you wrong enough.

[cookiecutter]

Going by that logic one can say the same about gear progression as well,you're only missing out a small part of gear arsenals by not completing coil and once 3.0 launches those gear will be accessible to all. Only that it's pretty much an outdated content by that point.In MMO where they encourage people to keep up with contents that would be quite contradictory,don't you think ? Proclaiming to be "story driven" but the circumstances try to make a large crowd wait and fall back a few months after release in order to see it ?

How is it contradictory? The only place where you might need that small gear set is coil anyway. Everything is else is completely accessible to every type of player. If SE wanted to they could just make coil a faceroll at the beginning. They'd lose all their hardcore players but, then you wouldn't have any division of players anymore right? Maybe one day SE will do that down the line it really depends where most of their money is coming from and if they no longer want to make challenging group content.

[Sadonix]

snips

And here we go again with the thinking style of "it's black or white". Seriously why do insecure comments seem to come out whenever that coil is mentioned in this game ?

Just FYI following that train of thought of yours,the "casuals" could also very well leave after they found out there's a massive roadblock at the endgame and the best bits of game are locked behind it with only pointless crumbs here and there left outside.

Come to think of it,in fact it would be very interesting if the aforementioned "casual vs hardcore" scenario someone mentioned earlier really do take place here.

The whole raid finder thing was actually what turned me off completely to wow since there was no more work involved to unlock the endgame story.

I don't understand...so you're saying you're not fine with WoW raid finder but you're actually okay with FFXIV duty finder,the feature that basically does the same thing ? How does that even work ? Not to mention all those fetch quests ?

[cookiecutter]

And here we go again with the thinking style of "it's black or white". Seriously why do insecure comments seem to come out whenever that coil is mentioned in this game ?

Just FYI following that train of thought of yours,the "casuals" could also very well leave after they found out there's a massive roadblock at the endgame and the best bits of game are locked behind it with only pointless crumbs here and there left outside.

Come to think of it,in fact it would be very interesting if the aforementioned "casual vs hardcore" scenario someone mentioned earlier really do take place here.

I have nothing to be insecure about. SE can do whatever they want since its their game. If they want to completely cater to people who don't want to put the time or skills into endgame content that's fine with me. I'll just play something else. Really they have three choices. 1. They can keep the status quo. 2. Completely nerf in game content so it can beaten by all players in a timely fashion. 3. Create two different modes of coil for the "casual" and "hardcore" at launch of patches. The problem with the third option though is that its much more work for them to make two separate forms of encounters. Not only that they'd probably have to incorporate a better gear set to give incentive for hardcore players to actually do it. The reason why savage was a flop was because all that you got from completing it was a title. Choices 1 and 2 are the easiest for them to do so we'll see what happens.

[cookiecutter]

WoW,for an example,has a heroic mode that existed for the reason of challenges and bis loots. There's nothing new story-wise and people still do it. That should prove you wrong enough.

What I said was my own opinion which is why I prefaced by saying I believe. I know other people can get motivated to complete new content by shiny sets of new gear and mounts. Personally I enjoy the mix of challenge and story elements in end game raiding and the gear is just a plus for me. The whole raid finder thing was actually what turned me off completely to wow since there was no more work involved to unlock the endgame story.

[polyhedral]

Binding coil is a small part of the story that has more to do with past events than current ones. You're only missing out a small part of the story by not completing coil and once 3.0 launches that story will be accessible to all. I believe any good endgame content should have some type of compelling story otherwise the bosses just feel like loot pinatas and lack dramatic flair. It would feel kinda anticlimactic to beat the last boss and, chest full of loot drops with nothing else.

Only a small piece of the story???!?

Are we playing the same game here?? IT'S THE ENTIRE STORY FFS!

[Tiggy]

Only a small piece of the story???!?

Are we playing the same game here?? IT'S THE ENTIRE STORY FFS!

Coil isn't connected to the main storyline at all. The main storyline revolves around the Ascians and the coil is simply tying up loose ends from 1.0 involving bahamut. It's not even remotely the "entire" story. First coil barely even had any story at all.

[cookiecutter]

Only a small piece of the story???!?

Are we playing the same game here?? IT'S THE ENTIRE STORY FFS!

It is if you like bahamut but, it really doesn't have much do what is currently happening in the game. I can't really say much more without spoiling though.