So votekick >abuse< is practically allowed?

[Ellatrix]

Yes, because it's your own fault for using Duty Finder instead of a strict Party Finder if you are that obsessed with getting a clear (or multiple clears.)

No, entering DF means you accept the responsibility to fulfill your job role. If you aren't doing that, you deserve to be kicked.

[Canadane]

There's also a typo on that GM respond:

"categorisation"? lol

Also, mind posting that last message GM mentioned on that reply? Omitting player names ofc.

That is the correct spelling for it outside the US.

[MeiUshu]

So by that logic, whenever I'm in DF, I should be forced to deal with a tank that doesn't use their emnity-producing skills such as Provoke, Flash and Overpower? And all that they are doing is just going through their combo because it's all shiny? Or, should the party have to be stuck with a healer who doesn't heal? Or that damage dealer that does nothing but auto-attack? What if I've got a tank-bot or heal-bot? They don't perform effectively, but according to your logic I should have to be stuck with them. Yeah, no thanks. While abuses of the vote kick system can, does, and will happen, I would rather have it for the greater good.

no, YOU can leave ...pretty simple as that

Mei

[Coatl]

Or he can just kick the baddie and finish the run normally.

[MeiUshu]

Or he can just kick the baddie and finish the run normally.

that happens rarely, most of the time if not each time, you kick the guy and stand there counting the sheeps just before everybody abandons because nobody is coming in or agin not the one you want and paff kick the guy again...how is that more productive I wonder

But people prefer to point fingers and define someone else as the culprit then take their responsability and leave if they dont like something

Mei

[MicahZerrshia]

We have had some pretty horrible players and I always try to help them out but you get those who just refuse to respond or even acknowledge you are talking to them. They just stay mysteriously silent. Tanks who wont put up shield oath, flash or rotate thru mobs, healers that just stand there doing nothing (esp in low lvls with sch who just puts eos near the tank and doesn't even draw their weapon), smn who only use pets to attack, drg/nin/mnk/brd who just auto attack and blm who just use up their mp and wait for it to come back without ice umbrals. These ppl deserve to be kicked. You need to pull your weight in an instance and when one person on the team doesn't, well you are dismissed. Just like in real life, you will be fired.

Some new players are grateful for advice and I am more than willing to help them thru, take some extra time in a dungeon to help them learn. Its what the community should do. But if you just want to auto-pilot cause you are doing other things or are just plain lazy, that's a different story and you deserve das boot. Plus lets not forget the infinite bots out there.

What really grinds my gears are the ppl who duo/triobox, and do so terribly, in dungeons. And most the time its a tank/healer combo but when you already wait in queue for 30-45 mins the last thing you want is a 30 minute lock out and another 30 minute queue. So usually you just struggle thru, die 10 times and have the clock nearly run out.

[Lucke]

There's a bit of hypocrisy and confusion here. If SE keeps saying that vote-kicking is between players, why even have those 4 options as to why you are kicking this person? I've heard people complain saying they were kicked for whatever reason that doesn't match those 4 reasons given and SE is just like "Not our problem". If that's the case, why even have that little disclaimer on the bottom of the window that says vote-kick abuse is a punishable act since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks, they obviously aren't gonna punish people for abusing it. It's all very confusing and SE is giving out a bunch of mixed signals.

[NyarukoW]

... since it's clear SE doesn't get involved with vote-kicks...

You have any evidence to back up that claim? SE does get involved with vote kick abuses There is nothing confusing about that. There are players that come on this forums to put up a bunch of smoke and mirrors trying to confuse people, but don't believe for 1 minute that the GMs are turning a blind eye to abuse. They have the data, and if enough player report the same troll abusing vote kicks, they will sort that signal out from the noise and investigate and then take action. They may not be able to punish every vote kick abuse, just like cops can't stop every shoplifter, but sooner or later, the criminal will be trip up and be nailed.

The vote kick abuser want to demoralize other players here on the forum in hope that the vast majority would become silent, passive, and unwillingly complicit, and so they will continue to spread the misinformation so they can get away with their bad behavior more easily.

[jars]

I have never been kicked and I have used the DF a lot. what exactly are you guys even doing? all you have to do is keep your head down and play somewhat competently and it won't happen.

[Lucke]

Yay

I'm going by the canned responses I and others get when we report potential abuse kicks and even what the GMs themselves say in this and other threads. Basically that they don't wanna get involved with player disputes. I'd call vote-kick abuse a player dispute wouldn't you? SE just holds their hands up and says "Whoa guys, this is between you players. I don't wanna get involved". I agree they have all that info I would think, they just don't seem to want to act on it. Though I could be wrong, I've never heard of anyone getting banned for abusing the feature.

I've been vote-kicked for not doing a speedrun. It was my second time in the dungeon and I was tank. Didn't matter. That's not a valid reason for vote-kick. I wasn't harassing anyone for not doing a speedrun, I wasn't comfortable with it as I was still learning the dungeon. I certainly wasn't AFK obviously, nor was I cheating. I was most certainly online as well. I want to see some stories of people actually getting punished for vote-kick abuse. I've never seen it happen, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. If I see players actually get banned for it, I'll change my tune.