DF withdrawl has become the new "Fatigue" system

[Laraul]

The incident that disturbed me was when I queued as PLD, saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate and shortly after engaging the duty finder window popped. But I couldn't click in because I was the wrong class and it wouldn't let me change back. I kept moving farther and farther from the battle but it simply would not let me change back to PLD. Finally with two seconds to spare, it let me change back and I clicked in. But the whole experience was beyond agitating.

If I had been in a party, everyone would have suffered for my mistake. Why should my actions impact others in such a negative way?

If the purpose is to stop "trolls" then why is it just three a day? Why not something like ten a day? Ten is high enough that it would impact abusers but not impact normal players. Three is just too little.

[NyarukoW]

...
saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate ...
If I had been in a party, everyone would have suffered for my mistake. Why should my actions impact others in such a negative way?
....

What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue? You can not get full credit by yourself solo. This just a made up case. And if you are in a hunt party, you will not be queuing on the DF. This is nonsense, and you queue everyone if your hunt party on the DF, you are trolling them, and they will get mad at you.

[AzakaTonnerre]

What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue?

This is the stuff that needs to stop. First it was what are you doing crafting while on the queue? Then came why are you doing fates if you can't change jobs fast enough?

Then there was this gem... (From this thread... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...68#post2595568)

Well then perhaps you need a warning before entering a cutscene that you are queued for a duty as you are taking the risk, not the 3+ other people.

Now its what are you doing trying to do hunts while in the queue? Do you people who ask these questions even take the time to think? Given all these "why are you doing "X" while in queue" threads, its almost like you expect people to queue and sit there and do absolutely nothing but stare at the screen and wait for the DF to pop. If that's the case what's the point in queuing for an hour anyway.

I am a supporter of the penalty for withdrawals. Have been since the start. Do I think it needs some changes? Most definitely. Do I know what those changes should be? Not really.

But despite what I may think, one thing I know is this... these "why are you doing anything but breathing while queued" questions do nothing to help the flawed situation that is the current system. Additionally, the constant blaming people for actually trying to do something in the game while queued for an hour need to stop (blame should be directed at, and only at, the DF trolls and people who go AFK for extended periods while queued who created the need for this in the first place).

[Tonkra]

Well but i am with barboron.

When you are in a cutscene and the DF window comes up, you should be able to accept at least the DF invitation.

if you accepted that invitation you should be able to start the last cutscene over again from the beginning, when its being interrupted by changing the zone into the specific content.


Because some cutscenes you dont want to cancel actually.

and it should work easily like that.

[whoopeeragon]

-snip-

I agree with this. The more appropriate question should be '"Why are you trying to rush a hunt when your Duty Ready pops, and you know you aren't going to finish before your Duty Ready expires?"

You have 45 seconds to finish off what you are doing. It's not 45 seconds for you to pick something up and attempt to finish, because it just won't work.

45 seconds is enough for you to
- Press a gear set button to change jobs
- Run away from agro in open world (excluding beast tribe areas) and press a gear set button to change jobs
- De-level sync from your FATE/de-agro from your FATE and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Finish off your current gathering node (six hits max), put away your MH, and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Reel in your fish or empty line, get up from your chair and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish your current synth (Don't whine to me about High-level recipes. If you just started, you know to use Reclaim; if you don't have CP for Reclaim, you have time to finish off your synth), and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Abandon your Leve, take a moment to dance in despair and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Exit a maximum of 5 windows on your retainer, blow them a kiss goodbye and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish tending/fertilising your current plant, do a couple more, and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish watching a chocobo feeding CS, exit the menu and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Alt-tab back into the game, de-afk and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Repair your items via NPC, exit the menu and press a gear set button to change jobs.

What 45 seconds is not long enough for
- Cutscenes which are not skippable
- Long loading screens due to hardware/S rank in the zone.
- Errors due to DDoS attacks and server/net problems

[Ashkendor]

If the purpose is to stop "trolls" then why is it just three a day? Why not something like ten a day? Ten is high enough that it would impact abusers but not impact normal players. Three is just too little.

The purpose was to speed up the queue. That means cutting down on in-progress fishing, trolling, and timing out.

You made it into your duty, so what's the problem?

What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue? You can not get full credit by yourself solo. This just a made up case. And if you are in a hunt party, you will not be queuing on the DF. This is nonsense, and you queue everyone if your hunt party on the DF, you are trolling them, and they will get mad at you.

These days you actually can get full credit without a party or in a smaller party. Hunts aren't nearly as overrun as they were before. I'm not really sure why she would've switch to BRD to participate though, since a PLD stands a much better chance of getting full credit at a hunt mark while solo.

That may very well be true. But doing so is being greedy and risking not only a strike for missing the queue, but also devaluing the other players on the DF and taking them for granted and expecting them to wait. There are things one should avoid doing while waiting on the DF. Hunts should be one of them. Because to get full credit with a small group the hunt will not die in 45 seconds or less, and if does die quickly, then there are too many other players and it is not worth risking a strike for 2 to 5 allied seals. Insisting on doing so is insisting on being selfish and inconsiderate.

Lol? Let's get something straight here. I stated that you can do the hunt in a small party or solo and still get full credit, not that there aren't other people there to share in the kill. Since you're trying to put meaning on my words that wasn't there, let me spell it out very very simply: I've gone to plenty of hunts solo or in a 2-3 person party in the past few days with other people that are not in my party also fighting the mob still managed to get full credit. The mobs still die really really fast, leaving me plenty of time to join the queue.

I still don't know why you'd switch to BRD when PLD stands a much better chance of getting full credit.

[NyarukoW]

...These days you actually can get full credit without a party or in a smaller party. Hunts aren't nearly as overrun as they were before. .....

That may very well be true. But doing so is being greedy and risking not only a strike for missing the queue, but also devaluing the other players on the DF and taking them for granted and expecting them to wait. There are things one should avoid doing while waiting on the DF. Hunts should be one of them. Because to get full credit with a small group the hunt will not die in 45 seconds or less, and if does die quickly, then there are too many other players and it is not worth risking a strike for 2 to 5 allied seals. Insisting on doing so is insisting on being selfish and inconsiderate.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

The incident that disturbed me was when I queued as PLD, saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate and shortly after engaging the duty finder window popped. But I couldn't click in because I was the wrong class and it wouldn't let me change back. I kept moving farther and farther from the battle but it simply would not let me change back to PLD. Finally with two seconds to spare, it let me change back and I clicked in. But the whole experience was beyond agitating.

You queued as a tank and expected to have time to do anything during the wait?