Up Commencement Time to 60 Seconds

[Barboron]

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Well, speaking from experience, it's quite annoying to have it regroup a party when someone doesn't click commence. It's even worse when it happens a second time in a row. So it's not just 15 seconds, it's 15 seconds for every time someone doesn't press commence. So, here's the math for you:

1 person doesn't press = 15 seconds
2 people don't press = 30 seconds
3 people = 45 seconds

See where it's going?

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But why? I do play tank but not all the time so I understand the DPS queue times. If you queue for the DF and miss it, that's your issue. Unless what you are implying is that while you are in a cutscene, your position in the queue is on hold and so while in the cutscene, people behind you take priority. Now, as good as that sounds, that is open to SO much abuse. If I were a DPS, queued up for say, pulling a number out of nowhere here, 20 minutes. But suddenly, I had to run to the shop but oh no, my queue time! What if I miss it? I know! I will put myself into a CS. You're gone for any length of time so lets take an extreme example and say you are gone for 1hour+, why then should you get to come back, pop out of the cutscene and get priority in a queue after being gone for over an hour while others have waited patiently?

Either way, it's not fair on the other people.

[Cadmar]

Stop me if I'm wrong here, but it is 3 times that you have to not accept until there is any penalty, right? 3 times? Right? Not just once, or twice.... but thrice?

Yeah, the complaining seems legit.

/sarcasmoff

[Giantbane]

But why? I do play tank but not all the time so I understand the DPS queue times. If you queue for the DF and miss it, that's your issue. Unless what you are implying is that while you are in a cutscene, your position in the queue is on hold and so while in the cutscene, people behind you take priority. Now, as good as that sounds, that is open to SO much abuse. If I were a DPS, queued up for say, pulling a number out of nowhere here, 20 minutes. But suddenly, I had to run to the shop but oh no, my queue time! What if I miss it? I know! I will put myself into a CS. You're gone for any length of time so lets take an extreme example and say you are gone for 1hour+, why then should you get to come back, pop out of the cutscene and get priority in a queue after being gone for over an hour while others have waited patiently?

Either way, it's not fair on the other people.

Because those people are obviously in the middle of something and it's not too much to ask the queue system to simply skip over them until they are not busy. It should be almost entirely transparent to anyone else they are queue'd with. Especially in the case of loading or death as the resolution times can be long depending on where you are and where you're going.

And there can be reasonable limits on such things to avoid or severely inhibit abuse.

[NyarukoW]

Because those people are obviously in the middle of something and it's not too much to ask ...

It is not to much to ask that for people that value that something more than other players waiting on the DF, that these people do not queue and abuse the DF and take other players for granted.

[Giantbane]

It is not to much to ask that for people that value that something more than other players waiting on the DF, that these people do not queue and abuse the DF and take other players for granted.

You miss the part where it should be an almost transparent operation to anyone else in the queue

It's also almost guaranteed to reduce the amount of time others will have to wait as it will remove any time the rest of the group would be otherwise waiting for a load to finish or a cutscene to skip when a suitable replacement can be found.

[NyarukoW]

....almost transparent operation ... guaranteed to reduce the amount of time others will have to wait....

What transparent operation again? Reduce what? Increasing wait times by 15 seconds will decrease wait times.... Seriously? The only thing that is transparent is the blatantly obvious way of misrepresenting things.

[Giantbane]

What transparent operation again? Reduce what? Increasing wait times by 15 seconds will decrease wait times.... Seriously? The only thing that is transparent is the blatantly obvious way of misrepresenting things.

Somebody's in a cutscene, is loading or some other determined blocking state that inhibits their ability to hit commence? Find someone else who isn't immediately, how is that seriously difficult to understand?

[Toodles]

Prove that my math is wrong. If you don't got the mathematical proof you are just making up stories.

Your math is wrong on the sheer fact that dropped-queues affect the figure. I don't need extensive math to prove 33% isn't correct.

[NyarukoW]

...Find someone else who isn't immediately...

The system is honoring the place in line/queue of the player and maintaining the necessary integrity, unlike players who just want to game the system to their advantage.

...how is that seriously difficult to understand?...

Why is so hard to understand that people who queue the DF should mean they want to get into the instance and not have some overriding reason to go do something else? Be ready and click commence. People should NOT be allowed to be wishy-washy about queuing on the DF, like I am on the DF but not really, this other thing (fate, craft, netflix etc.) is so much more important than all the other players out there.

Your math is wrong on the sheer fact that dropped-queues affect the figure. I don't need extensive math to prove 33% isn't correct.

What exactly are dropped queues, people waiting out the whole 45 seconds to withdraw? 33% is actually the best case scenario. If people all other took 5 seconds to click commence, and normally the transaction is done in 15 seconds or less, a full 45 second process time is like 300% less efficient, and impacts the whole system and queuing that much more. The 33% is overly generous and kind to those who are not ready to click commence. And so you want to extend it to 60 seconds making 400% less efficient? Right on! Woo hoo lets make queue times even longer.

[Giantbane]

The system is honoring the place in line/queue of the player and maintaining the necessary integrity, unlike players who just want to game the system to their advantage.

Why is so hard to understand that people who queue the DF should mean they want to get into the instance and not have some overriding reason to go do something else? Be ready and click commence.

Story quests and load zones seem like somewhat reasonable tasks to execute while waiting for a long queue, and don't strike me as players trying to game the system. Particularly when the queue estimate time is incorrect.

And this would not be entirely in their favor, the suggestion is for the DF queue to skip over them so it would increase that player's wait time by whatever amount.