Up Commencement Time to 60 Seconds

[Nyalia]

Here, a proposal I made on another thread about this:

What about adding a third button to the queue pop dialog box: "Pass." Clicking it would cause the queue to ignore you for (time remaining on queue timer)+60 seconds without removing you from the queue. After that time passed, you would be back in the queue at the same place you were. Limit it to one pass per queue. Heck, allow you to pass before your duty even pops via the duty window interface, that way people can use it to go to the bathroom while in queue.

Then, you can shorten the commencement time to 30 seconds. This way, when someone is in one of those horrendous 120 minute queues and their duty pops while they're crafting or unable to lose aggro or in a cutscene, they can click the "Pass" button immediately, making it so the rest of the party doesn't have to wait even the 45 seconds for them they now have to wait. By adding the time remaining to the pass time, there's no advantage to waiting until the last second to pass. Then, the person who passed knows their queue is likely to pop soon, so they can get themselves ready and sit around. Now, instead of them having to sit around for two hours doing nothing, they have to sit around for 1-10 minutes.

The people who can't click commence immediately are benefited because they don't have to requeue and are not punished for withdrawing. The other people in the duty are benefited because they don't have to wait the full 45 seconds for people who can't click commence immediately to frantically try to get to safety. Everyone else in the queue is benefited because this will cause queues to move along quicker, meaning less time that healers and tanks sit in queues, which means more healer and tank time to run dungeons. People who like using bathrooms are benefited because they can pause their queue timer without exiting it. Everyone saves time. Everyone wins.

And despite not knowing their internal data structure, it can't be hard to insert an "ignore me for now" flag that the duty finder ignores, but which doesn't change someone's place. Already, if the person is of the wrong role, they're skipped over. This is just like setting their role to "afk" for a minute or so then putting it back.

[Izsha]

Protip: it's usually faster to just kill the monster you aggro in a dense area than run through half the zone hoping they will leave you alone. 1 monster aggroed oh noes! Time to race through another 50 mobs to escape! Or just take 3 gcd to kill the offender and change jobs in the nearest corner.

[MageBlack]

Its not really all that bad. Maybe if they relaxed the first two missed queue penalties and then hit you on the third in 24 hours.

I still do stand by most of what I said on the first page, it could be a solution for further down the road but not something that could be implemented overnight.

[Toodles]

...It sounds hilarious to watch someone unable to escape combat or kill an open world target who's fighting you in that time. Using a level 1 weapon on a level 50 mob? Even then 45 seconds is a stretch...

Protip: it's usually faster to just kill the monster you aggro in a dense area than run through half the zone hoping they will leave you alone. 1 monster aggroed oh noes! Time to race through another 50 mobs to escape! Or just take 3 gcd to kill the offender and change jobs in the nearest corner.

We're not stupid. The Sapsa example you're usually in combat with more than one. Please don't assume we don't know that a single mob couldn't be killed in 45 seconds, it's insulting.

Its not really all that bad. Maybe if they relaxed the first two missed queue penalties...

See but the withdrawal penalty isn't even the greatest issue... it's having to start a fresh 2 hour queue over again because SE's time-restraint is too limiting.

[Nyalia]

Protip: it's usually faster to just kill the monster you aggro in a dense area than run through half the zone hoping they will leave you alone. 1 monster aggroed oh noes! Time to race through another 50 mobs to escape! Or just take 3 gcd to kill the offender and change jobs in the nearest corner.

Unless you're FATE farming and fighting a FATE boss solo, or fighting four enemies three of whom are sleeped, or in a FATE where monsters are constantly spawning and you have to run out of the FATE (and, in some places like O'ghomorro, right into other mobs), or (most likely) you finish off the mob only to have another one suddenly turn and aggro onto you causing you to miss the queue... I mean, sure, these don't happen every time, but they do happen. To me. Five times this past week.
:P

[Meshico]

I did read one example...I would agree that a commence should not happen until "Players A-D" are finished with Cutscenes. That is one thing that should be taken into consideration.

FATES, Crafting, Levequest...no.

-Tari

P.S. And 15 seconds extra is correct when it's only one person. But we have 20 servers with 2.5 million players...that is a lot of time added up.

[Izsha]

Its not really all that bad. Maybe if they relaxed the first two missed queue penalties and then hit you on the third in 24 hours.

I still do stand by most of what I said on the first page, it could be a solution for further down the road but not something that could be implemented overnight.

There are no penalties for the 1st 2. The 3rd is the 1st time you get hit with a penalty. Not sure if you just worded that funny or you misunderstand the penalty system.

We're not stupid. The Sapsa example you're usually in combat with more than one. Please don't assume we don't know that a single mob couldn't be killed in 45 seconds, it's insulting.

Insulting or not, I have now played this game virtually daily for over a year and have not once missed a cue because of over world mobs. Not once. I have from fates and other stuff but never just random over world aggro. If you somehow frequently have that problem then I can draw no other conclusion except that it's you.

[WhiteDragon]

We're not stupid. The Sapsa example you're usually in combat with more than one. Please don't assume we don't know that a single mob couldn't be killed in 45 seconds, it's insulting.

So to get this straight, you purposely switch from one DPS to another DPS, then go to an area that (even though it's easy to get out of combat and you're just awful) you know you'd have trouble getting out of combat in FOURTY FIVE SECONDS (since you said you have your job switch on your hotbar), and that's SE's fault? Should every mob just be non agro for you too?

[MageBlack]

There are no penalties for the 1st 2. The 3rd is the 1st time you get hit with a penalty. Not sure if you just worded that funny or you misunderstand the penalty system.

ok, then I wonder why i got a 30 min penalty cause i went to the bathroom and missed my queue popping. it was the first time logging in since the update. Since then I was paranoid and would even get my kids to watch for my queue if i had to go do something.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But having other players deal with a flow of people who are never ready is ok, even if it doubles the wait time?