The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Lord_Zlatan]

More nonsensical strawman. Not everyone is a clear seller, that much is obvious. Yet, there are many clear sellars who wouldn't bother you help your 6 FC noobs, and you know it. But I will give credit where it's due, and you should be congratulated for helping your 6 noobs in your FC learn T6. If this thread achieved only that, it is still progress. And that is 6 less clears the clear sellers get to sell.

For all your efforts for saying Gil sellers are bad, there is an equal number of people that will help learn or even carry you. Its all spread out equally...

[NyarukoW]

I'm going to be just like you and take something completely outta context to disprove one part of your argument.
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Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

For all your efforts for saying Gil sellers are bad, there is an equal number of people that will help learn or even carry you. Its all spread out equally...

Really, yet this thread exists as direct proof that it is not equally spread. The OP is having problems because it is NOT. And the OP does not want a carry just opportunity to learn and progress.

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Because you literally didn't say this the whole time. ...

Because I should NOT have to say such plain obvious things. The raider that have their honor should disown and chastise the clear sellers, but they don't instead what I see more are posts with hatred and contempt for newer players and newbies, not just in this thread but many others as well. The true raiders should be ashamed of the clear sellers hiding in their midst and the elite player should shun the elitists.

[Kallera]

Nyaruko should stop. He's not doing anyone any favors by cherry picking other people's arguments and assuming that is all that people are talking about. Is the OP still looking at this thread?(if so, any update?)

[Tiggy]

Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

A) He showed two pictures and there is overlap between them. Specifically you can see the overlapping Howling Eye Extreme and Fate party fight that is common on both screenshots. He definitely went down the entire scroll bar.

B) Learning parties? Did you even look? There is a T10 practice run, a T9 with very minimal experience. The T9 group needs a more people but that T10 group looks nearly full. Seems like 2 learning runs to me. I'm sure you'll find a way to discredit those somehow though.

And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change

Or maybe it's overblown to begin with and very few groups do this at all. Clearly the demons are just asleep or doing one of their accursed runs. You're simply coming up with excuses when the narrative didn't fit your story.

[Ghishlain]

Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

Doesn't change the fact that you are clearly wrong.

clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF

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Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place

Names are hidden as per forum rules. Does it change the actual information of PF? Nope. Also, as you can tell, the last two entries of the PF are the exact same as the first two entries of second screen shot. Clearly a continuation - but you'll find a way to refute this since I don't have the means to make the PF window larger.

And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change.

Grasping at straws much? Oh no! The boogyman known as CLEAR SELLERS are lurking around the corner!

And yet where are the learning PFs?

Not important to the fact that you're wrong that there are advertisements for clear sells 24/7 on the PF.

...see what I did there? It's annoying, isn't it?

[NyarukoW]

...Not important to the fact that you're wrong that there are advertisements for clear sells 24/7 on the PF.

...see what I did there? It's annoying, isn't it?

Nope not at all. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising. And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar. And it they are not advertising on the PF, they are advertising via shouts in Mor Dhona or where ever else they like.

[DoctorPepper]

No matter what you guys say, no matter how many posts you quote. NyarukoW will reject reality and substitute it with their own.

You guys will not make any progress arguing with this person, I assure you, I've been there. They will always turn to the "I didn't say this" or "I shouldn't have to say this" argument because they have no actual evidence for any of the claims that they make. To them they are simply right and that is that. You should not waste your time with them since it is simply that, a waste of your time.

[Tiggy]

You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising. And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar.

Doesn't change the fact you said..

clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF,

Which his screenshots perfectly prove is a false statement. Even one server failing to have clear selling advertisement for even 1 second proves your statement wrong. You're grasping at straws due to your extreme rhetoric backing you into a corner.

And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar.

In the screenshots provided that is not the case. At all. Either way you can not pin someones incompetance for being unable to scroll through the window on raiders.

And it they are not advertising on the PF, they are advertising via shouts in Mor Dhona or where ever else they like.

Now you're just making stuff up because you're original statement was proven false. You're grasping at straws to keep your arguement relevant in the face of clearly contradictory evidence to your stance. The pandemic of clear sellers isn't as bad as you continually make it out to be.

You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising.

I do believe that the burden of proof is up to the person making the claim. By all means. Prove to us this is a pandemic on each server with something more than hollow words, rhetoric, and hearsay.

[Gardes]

Simple version:
Speed run is fine, speed runners are NOT.
Elite players are fine, elitists are NOT.
Raiders are fine, clear sellers are NOT.

Wait, so, if I equate all 6 into something bad..

The act of stealing is fine, thieves are not.
Assassins are fine, serial killers are not.
People who hunt endangered animals for kicks are fine, people who hunt endangered animals to sell their parts are not.

:^)

[Ghishlain]

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

How about innocent until proven guilty? Clearly, you believe all raiders are guilty of being clear sellers by association, as proven by:

And they would gladly play devil's advocate for the clear sellers and never chastise them. Well then, what is the practical difference on the forums here? You are either for or against clear sells.

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You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising.

And it they are not advertising on the PF, they are advertising via shouts in Mor Dhona or where ever else they like.

I was only refuting your one point:

clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF

Clearly, you are wrong on this very one point in this discussion. CLEARLY WRONG. *Waggles finger then crosses arms*

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And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar.

Already answered, but clearly you don't read:

Names are hidden as per forum rules. Does it change the actual information of PF? Nope. Also, as you can tell, the last two entries of the PF are the exact same as the first two entries of second screen shot. Clearly a continuation - but you'll find a way to refute this since I don't have the means to make the PF window larger.

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No matter what you guys say, no matter how many posts you quote. NyarukoW will reject reality and substitute it with their own.

You guys will not make any progress arguing with this person, I assure you, I've been there. They will always turn to the "I didn't say this" or "I shouldn't have to say this" argument because they have no actual evidence for any of the claims that they make. To them they are simply right and that is that. You should not waste your time with them since it is simply that, a waste of your time.

Oh, I know. In some respects, this is quite a nice exercise of patience for me, good for when I deal with customers.

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Ghishlain, I could kiss you right now.

You don't want to do that, I'm just a dirty raider after all