The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Ghishlain]

I'm going to be just like you and take something completely outta context to disprove one part of your argument.

simultaneously clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF

This was as of 8 minutes ago.

Clearly, you're wrong with exactly what you said. The closest thing you'll be able to ding me for is that one guy saying "please no 100s" for their T9 farm.

Stop broadly generalizing.

[NyarukoW]

I'm going to be just like you and take something completely outta context to disprove one part of your argument.
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Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

For all your efforts for saying Gil sellers are bad, there is an equal number of people that will help learn or even carry you. Its all spread out equally...

Really, yet this thread exists as direct proof that it is not equally spread. The OP is having problems because it is NOT. And the OP does not want a carry just opportunity to learn and progress.

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Because you literally didn't say this the whole time. ...

Because I should NOT have to say such plain obvious things. The raider that have their honor should disown and chastise the clear sellers, but they don't instead what I see more are posts with hatred and contempt for newer players and newbies, not just in this thread but many others as well. The true raiders should be ashamed of the clear sellers hiding in their midst and the elite player should shun the elitists.

[Tiggy]

Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

A) He showed two pictures and there is overlap between them. Specifically you can see the overlapping Howling Eye Extreme and Fate party fight that is common on both screenshots. He definitely went down the entire scroll bar.

B) Learning parties? Did you even look? There is a T10 practice run, a T9 with very minimal experience. The T9 group needs a more people but that T10 group looks nearly full. Seems like 2 learning runs to me. I'm sure you'll find a way to discredit those somehow though.

And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change

Or maybe it's overblown to begin with and very few groups do this at all. Clearly the demons are just asleep or doing one of their accursed runs. You're simply coming up with excuses when the narrative didn't fit your story.

[Ghishlain]

Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place. And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change. And yet where are the learning PFs?

Doesn't change the fact that you are clearly wrong.

clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF

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Yet stuff is hidden with the scroll bars in place

Names are hidden as per forum rules. Does it change the actual information of PF? Nope. Also, as you can tell, the last two entries of the PF are the exact same as the first two entries of second screen shot. Clearly a continuation - but you'll find a way to refute this since I don't have the means to make the PF window larger.

And if they are not advertising on the PF, they may be actually making the sell, or maybe sleeping for a change.

Grasping at straws much? Oh no! The boogyman known as CLEAR SELLERS are lurking around the corner!

And yet where are the learning PFs?

Not important to the fact that you're wrong that there are advertisements for clear sells 24/7 on the PF.

...see what I did there? It's annoying, isn't it?

[NyarukoW]

...Not important to the fact that you're wrong that there are advertisements for clear sells 24/7 on the PF.

...see what I did there? It's annoying, isn't it?

Nope not at all. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising. And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar. And it they are not advertising on the PF, they are advertising via shouts in Mor Dhona or where ever else they like.

[Tiggy]

You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising. And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar.

Doesn't change the fact you said..

clear sellers are advertising 24/7 on the PF,

Which his screenshots perfectly prove is a false statement. Even one server failing to have clear selling advertisement for even 1 second proves your statement wrong. You're grasping at straws due to your extreme rhetoric backing you into a corner.

And some of them can be obscured by the scroll bar.

In the screenshots provided that is not the case. At all. Either way you can not pin someones incompetance for being unable to scroll through the window on raiders.

And it they are not advertising on the PF, they are advertising via shouts in Mor Dhona or where ever else they like.

Now you're just making stuff up because you're original statement was proven false. You're grasping at straws to keep your arguement relevant in the face of clearly contradictory evidence to your stance. The pandemic of clear sellers isn't as bad as you continually make it out to be.

You haven't shown that every server does not have a clear seller advertising.

I do believe that the burden of proof is up to the person making the claim. By all means. Prove to us this is a pandemic on each server with something more than hollow words, rhetoric, and hearsay.

[NyarukoW]

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Which his screenshots perfectly prove is a false statement. ...

The screenshot do not prove a single thing. The scroll bars obscure information. I'll grant the were not doctored with photoshop. I never said 24/7 on all servers. But as long as their is a clear seller somewhere advertising that is one clear seller too many.

Proving something does not exist, is not simply saying you don't see the evidence. You need have evidence of absence which can not be done with a single screen shot.

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The pandemic of clear sellers isn't as bad as you continually make it out to be.
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Define pandemic? If players are seeing the clear seller advertising it is bad.

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Wait, so, if I equate all 6 into something bad..

The act of stealing is fine, thieves are not.
Assassins are fine, serial killers are not.
People who hunt endangered animals for kicks are fine, people who hunt endangered animals to sell their parts are not.

:^)

You are a funny one. All the non-sequitors you can come with amazes me. Don't even know how that is even remotely related. But I'll play.

The act of stealing is neutral, after all bases stolen in baseball is fully acceptable. Or the CIA/NSA stealing secrets from ISIS is perfectly ok. But thief that gets caught usually goes to jail or dies.

The assassins, a.k.a seal team 6, that took out Osama under Obama's watch certainly are great soldiers for the U.S., and nobody wants a serial killer like Jack the Ripper on the lose.

I don't know where your are going with hunting endangered animals. But selling white rhino horns and elephant ivory are clearly forbidden.

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How about innocent until proven guilty? Clearly, you believe all raiders are guilty of being clear sellers by association, as proven by:

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Nothing.

I never said they were guilty of being clear sellers, because there is no logical way to proving that. But the apathy from the raiders, and defense of clear sellers, and at the same time all the effort put into verbal abuse, and misrepresenting and excluding the newer players and newbies, the evidence from all that is in this thread as well as many other threads is overwhelmingly damning, and shows a overall lack of empathy. Yet they would shameless ask for empathy for those who have none (a.k.a the clear seller) but not for people like the OP. Perhaps it is wishful thing, but the silver lining is that the loud and obnoxious one here on the forums are over-represented and does not in fact represent actual in game demographics.

[Atomnium]

I'm going to sound rude but, could we just ignore NyarukoW or even report him?
The guy is being very toxic over any raid-end-game discuss on this forum :x

To be honest, I don't even know why he didn't got reported yet, being toxic while making raiders looking like the bad guys and clearly calling a conspiracy over clear-sellers being everywhere is kind of silly...

I'm offended, working so hard while having so much fun with my static on t12 right now and when I look at this thread, all I see is NyarukoW spitting over people and to be fair, even if you re a clear seller, you don't deserve such hates... especially coming from someone who probably not even beaten T5.