The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Lord_Zlatan]

Alexion, that is a really good idea.

Probably going to do the same on my server. Glad to hear things are looking up!

[Sessurea]

Didn't read thread but I made a LS where I inved more or less people who wanna raid and get clears but cba with a static. It's working out well tbh.

[NyarukoW]

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Which clearly contridicts your previous comment of... .Back pedalling to get off on a technicallity, eh?

Well I do get an out by technicality, but there is some selling on my server not that long ago, but I can't check on them all time. But so what if the clear sellers are advertising at slightly less than 24/7. So they do it at 22/7 or something like that, and they certainly can't sell during maintenance. It is my fault for not using more precise language, but you should be chastising those that abuse that kind of muddled wording a lot more readily, e.g.

... Even even 2 people say they don't care then people don't care.....

So 2 people equals all people. Right. And no empathy for the OP, but want empathy for clear sellers. I'll ever agree to a position as ridiculous as that.

...being toxic while making raiders looking like the bad guys ....

How is it toxic to ask the people be more inclusive? How am making raider look bad by asking that? If anything it is the clear sellers, a subset of raiders, that is making the raiders look bad and making things toxic. You should focus your ire towards the clear sellers.

[Gardes]

Well I do get an out by technicality,

On whose authority? Clear selling hasn't been outlawed by SE's authority either.

[NyarukoW]

...Clear selling hasn't been outlawed by SE's authority either.

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship. Clear selling has NOT be outlawed, but I am lobbying SE here to have a solid case to make it a ban-able offense. I don't have hard evidence, but it would be naive to believe that all that gil from clear sells is NOT funneled thru RMT sellers somehow.

I don't understand why is so hard to provide some useful practice-able advice for the OP, but so easy to want to defend the clear sellers? This makes no sense at all.

[Gardes]

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship.

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

[NyarukoW]

Oh so people can be rude in game and they won't get punished for it by SE's GM team and vote kicking for harassment doesn't actually do anything. Right.

You go ahead and test GM. But the standards are set by the player base. The GM will get the reports from the players and they can make a decision to act on them. And you can see that SE did that with the recent withdraw penalty reflect the wishes of the vast majority of the player base and this is for players they can't even directly report. SE will enforce the standards to the best of their ability, but it is up to player base to set the standards, and that is never a simple matter. SE and their TOS only sets the minimum leaving them a lot of leeway to adjust and respond as they best see fit.

...Am I simply a terrible person for not taking every latecomer under my wing and walking them through every piece of content? ...

Way to make a strawman. No one is asking you take everyone under your wing. If you can help when you can that is all that can be asked, as long as you are not doing the negative stuff, like exploiting other players thru clear sells, or using verbal abuse and treating them with contempt.

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... Paid for both the FC house and my house!
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Our FC house was bought with everyone contributing without ever resorting to selling clears. I don't care about housing, but I know players in the FC that got their own house without ever resorting to selling clears even before this 2.4 patch, they just sell their simply gathered mats and some of their crafts got a small house for themselves, and they help with people doing T5 clears without charge and not just in our FC. I know because we've done a few when we can.

[Ghishlain]

but you should be chastising those that abuse that kind of muddled wording a lot more readily, e.g.

Do you know why people are directing their ire specifically towards you? It's because you are a stonewalling stubborn poster who lambasts anyone who disagrees with your opinion. You lambast anyone who even remotely goes against your mentality of "the greater good" and according to your posts, you're only capable of discerning white and black of a situation, and nothing in between.

While your opinions are commendable, your approach is not. You cannot throw out the baby with the bath water. While you have a point that some raiders are indeed self serving and rude, you are also proving yourself a truly ignorant and naive white knight by exclaiming your strong desire to be all inclusive and allowing everyone to clear content. Your blinders have never come off and it shows with various posts putting a massive swath of a community instead of directly addressing the subsect of that community. When someone disagrees with you, instead of having a reasonable discussion about agreeing to disagree, you pound the gavel and decree that that those posters are toxic elitests / trolling forum posters. Of course people are going to take offense to that as you basically spitting in the face of their achievements and successes by lumping them into this overall negative category. How do you expect someone to take you seriously? Your hypocrisy can be found in this thread alone with how you accused Tiggy of being a clear seller and quoting BobtheBlackMage in the same post (while selectively cherry picking specific lines of a post to suit your rhetoric).

So, let's once again be realistic, there will be a section of players that will unable to clear content due to their skill level. You have not made any attempt to address how people should be helping this section of players aside from basically "CARRY THEM TO VICTORY" because, unfortunately, that will be the only way those people will see that content. Tell me.

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship. Clear selling has NOT be outlawed, but I am lobbying SE here to have a solid case to make it a ban-able offense. I don't have hard evidence, but it would be naive to believe that all that gil from clear sells is NOT funneled thru RMT sellers somehow.

You will never have hard evidence of this. With that being said, I agree. It would be foolish to think that all clear purchases are bought with legitimate Gil. With that being said, why should clear sellers being lambasted for providing a service? They shouldn't have to care how the Gil was made, just that they are providing a service. While you haven't made the claim, I do not suggest you make a claim that all clear sellers are in kahoots with RMTs to profit together. Again, it would be naive to not think of one or two FCs doing so, but broadly generalizing ALL clear sellers into that category will be another error in your judgement, if you decide to pursue that course.

I don't understand why is so hard to provide some useful practice-able advice for the OP, but so easy to want to defend the clear sellers? This makes no sense at all.

Advice has been given, but I will expand on that further as the single best advice anyone can give is "become more marketable".

-Understand your role, abilities, and capabilities. Going to a static a leader and saying "Please invite me, I do good DEEPS!" is no way to get an invite. Have a conversation with that static leader, see what their desires are, see how you can fit in with their dynamic, keep trying until a leader talks with you.
-Do a lot of content on your server. If you are truly worth the salt you believe you to be, people will notice. Join EX Primals, whether learning of farming, converse with people, get exposure and make a name for yourself. Reputation is important and will make or break your chances.
-Make friends. This is especially true if you can make a good tank (or two) and a healer. If you can get two tanks and a healer on board, guess what? The rest will fall into place easily. The challenge herein is making contact with these people who are looking, which falls into getting more exposure as stated in the previous point. More exposure means more opportunity to ask people if they are interested in Coil. Additionally, if you get this core group, starting learning groups will become much easier as the more important roles are already accounted for.
-As mentioned earlier, start a learning LS indicating you'll accept any and all members for learning and use this to filter your player base and test them. You can start filtering your players and picking whom you'd like to Coil with consistently. There are plenty of capable players, you just need to give them the opportunity to congregate into one location.
-Never be afraid to ask. If you have exposure and experience, but not the clear, just ask the leader "Can I join? I've seen down to 10% of this fight but haven't cleared it yet". Some players are very happy to see that extra 100 Sold now
-Above all else, NEVER GIVE UP - If you give up before you begin, you'll never reach your goal.

[BobtheBlackMage]

How is it toxic to ask the people be more inclusive? How am making raider look bad by asking that? If anything it is the clear sellers, a subset of raiders, that is making the raiders look bad and making things toxic. You should focus your ire towards the clear sellers.

Inclusive of WHO, really? Random people I've never met and never spoken to? Am I simply a terrible person for not taking every latecomer under my wing and walking them through every piece of content? Join my FC, contribute to our little community, and we'll talk. Our group survives on the concept of mutual aid, not angels descending from heaven and saving grace.

And why the hate for selling clears? Open market, marketable skills. I spent a great deal of time honing those skills, and can earn a profit from them. Paid for both the FC house and my house!

SE does not set the standard on player ethics or sportsmanship. Clear selling has NOT be outlawed, but I am lobbying SE here to have a solid case to make it a ban-able offense. I don't have hard evidence, but it would be naive to believe that all that gil from clear sells is NOT funneled thru RMT sellers somehow.

I don't understand why is so hard to provide some useful practice-able advice for the OP, but so easy to want to defend the clear sellers? This makes no sense at all.

Advice was provided for the OP.

"Make your own group"

Pretty simple advice, but honestly, that is the core of it. If he really is capable of clearing content, and just needs time to practice, he needs to assemble the group HE needs, as it is likely others need it too. No Angels, no Heroes, just Adventurers, helping each-other on equal footing.