The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Lord_Zlatan]

hes not saying they don't deserve to try... he's saying its not his problem that he or she can't get a group together to do the content with.

I clear T5 3/4 weeks after it went on the duty finder. I used the duty finder, not the party finder. Probably spent a total of 20 hours in the DF with it. Got my kill. People in FC wanted to try it, so I helped out and got 5 more kills.

Ive been on the outside looking in now, and have not been able to do T6. My chedule doesn't fit the 2nd raid group in my fc. Instead of crying about it and saying that Im being excluded from the content, or demanding other players to help me, you know what I'm going to do? Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done. If my FC decides that enough people are on to coach a learning party, il be there.

Its all about how much effort you want to put into it.

[craig_meredith2003]

hes not saying they don't deserve to try... he's saying its not his problem that he or she can't get a group together to do the content with.

I clear T5 3/4 weeks after it went on the duty finder. I used the duty finder, not the party finder. Probably spent a total of 20 hours in the DF with it. Got my kill. People in FC wanted to try it, so I helped out and got 5 more kills.

Ive been on the outside looking in now, and have not been able to do T6. My chedule doesn't fit the 2nd raid group in my fc. Instead of crying about it and saying that Im being excluded from the content, or demanding other players to help me, you know what I'm going to do? Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done. If my FC decides that enough people are on to coach a learning party, il be there.

Its all about how much effort you want to put into it.

Agreed don't know why the rush to endgame /shrug.

[AlexionSkylark]

Im going to DF the sh*t out of T6-9. Ill get my wins. It'll take time, but ill get it done.

Well, the thing is, you can't. You can't queue solo for SCoB. If I could, I most certainly would. But I can't.
Also, that's what I did with the extreme primals. I even related that experience on my opening post. So, what I'm "complaining here" is that the effort I CAN put into this game barely gets me inside the instance. And this happens because of the unwillingness of people.

[craig_meredith2003]

Well, the thing is, you can't. You can't queue solo for SCoB. If I could, I most certainly would. But I can't.
Also, that's what I did with the extreme primals. I even related that experience on my opening post. So, what I'm "complaining here" is that the effort I CAN put into this game barely gets me inside the instance. And this happens because of the unwillingness of people.

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

[AlexionSkylark]

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

[craig_meredith2003]

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

I agree with the thread idea 100%, but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

[NyarukoW]

EXACTLY.
And what is the best thing a player can do when "that is on SE"? Maybe... open a thread in the official forums?

SE most likely has the stats on clears for T6-T9. Putting these on the DF before there is enough players with clears to seed it with a base level of experience will probably lead to more futile frustrations. Or it could be that SE has schedule it wants to maintain.

But I can only imagine how much rage quitting will happen and it will probably be even worse than that. There is common saying for SCoB, "it is where your friends kill you not the boss." Just image voice is not pointed the right way and both healer are stoned in T7, or the red and yellow meteors are placed too close to each other on T9.

.. but the fact that some have turned into a players problem I don't

It is very much a player problem. Putting it on the DF will only move the problem to rage quitting on the DF. Perhaps that is better than not getting a party on the PF in the first place, but the problem is and always will be the players.

...The raider is this devil being with horns with an evil grin that continuously tries to find ways to abuse on the innocent.....

Even in your continuous war against these clear sellers ...

I never said raiders were the ones with horns. You did. I didn't equate them to the clear sellers, but it seems they get tied together by people claiming to be raiders but gladly selling clears. I'd be fine with the two being separate, but it seems you want to tie them together too.

[Ellatrix]

A lot of that could be settled with being able to solo que Scob, that is on SE not the players

It will be added to the DF soon along with the first iteration of Echo. It is following the same pattern as the 2.2 patch.

[Sadonix]

Personally I really don't like these so-called 'clear sellers' much,not because they're 'unethical' but because they're exploiting people with the game's "gating" contents,something that everyone who paid for this game should attempt by themselves.

Also one can only wonder where all those gils eventually went to,but whatever,SE doesn't seem to give a crap anyway.

Lastly I want to say that I feel I had a lot more fun during 20-50 than this crappy endgame where it seems to breed enmity,elitism and dissatisfaction all around. It's kinda funny,those people from 14 days trial most likely won't stick around because they haven't seen the best part after 20 and most players who get past it wouldn't bother with the irritating endgame. With people coming in after each new patch and then leaving almost instantly after doing what little they can I think there's a clear destination where this game is heading to,vanity shop being the first sign of examples.

[Kallera]

I do think that there is a general lack of patience and comradery in the populace of the game in post 50 content.

A lot of people like to think that this isn't their problem, or that if only people in DC played perfectly, it wouldn't be a problem.

The humanity of players should not have to be a downside to playing the game. If you have to resort to being a callous dick to get that raid clear, or sacrificing your health/work to get those dailies, are you really enjoying yourself?

And if certain systems in the game promote divisiveness and a lack of community, shouldn't we try to change them? I don't see the way things are going with the df are ideal. And people will leave before long if they see ffxiv's endgame experience as dehumanizing.