The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Kyri]

You want people to carry you, and in the same sentence, you insult those same people and say they should be banned. Maybe now you know why I don't want to help you.

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Sorry, I am a endgamer. With that being said your point is moot to me. I don't need your help, I make my own way and help the people who need things done. What im stating is 1mil to 30 mil for a clear pt that's being charged is ridiculous in it's own right.

No ones carrying me so when I say that people should help people(and some peoples ideas on "carry" are bordering ridiculous) I feel my time working to beat all content on multiple characters on a daily basis gives me the right to state that selling wins, though not something I white knight and hate on for, should indeed be bannable by the fact that everyone who gets to the point it's on farm refuses to help anyone else without getting paid, then yes, that's a bad system that should have stricter policies put into place to avoid it from happening. In my opinion of course. Sorry if this cuts down on your personal bank but there's many other ways to make gil.

***On a further note looking at party finder right now, I see 4 Fc's selling wins, 2 people selling crafting services and 5 pts for various EG content "ONLY JOIN IF YOUR FARM STATUS OR ILL KICK"
In the odd times I see learning pt's out there and am in a "Let's help someone get a win" mood that I normally am at least once a day they never fill up because people refuse to help where they can charge a ridiculous sum of gil and make people who are likely good at the fight but unlucky to find a pt that can quite make it look bad, feel bad and so called, "carried". In my opinion, though it might differ from yours, yes.. this is a problem.**

[Lord_Zlatan]

First of all, I want to thank all you guys for the answer and wonderful support. It was nice knowing there are plenty of people out there experiencing the same issues.


Now, to put it straight: Coil and Extreme Primals are the *ONLY* truly challenging endgame content in the game, Extreme primals less than Coil. EVERY other content (4-men dungeons, Crystal Tower) is tuned at a low level of difficulty for people just to blow through it. I play MMOs for 10 years now, having been leading raid groups for 4 or 5 years. Ever since I left my previous game, in which I leaded a group that raided once a week on saturday mornings, I've been excited about doing the same here. Now, I've tried to form a static, I've tried to join and create SEVERAL groups in PF, and the results were always similar to the ones related here.

What I think this game needs is some sort of cross-server grouping implementation. World of Warcraft is anice example of this implementation, where people used that game's feature to friend and invite to group people from other servers to implement communities such as http://openraid.us/ where people form groups, discuss in forums and schedule raids across all players. We are walking to a point where MMOs are breaching that "realm" barrier, as it isolates players from people who they could be playing with.

I really think there might be enough people out there to nicely progress on SCoB, however most of those are stranded from each other, in different servers or timezones, and they don't have the means to meet up.



Just to get some reality into this post, 5/8 people means 5 people sitting around doing nothing in Revenant's toll for hours (literally, if the missing spot is a tank) while waiting for 3 people who may or may not come, and if they come, who may or may not ("not" more likely than "yes") stay for longer than 2 wipes.

Perhaps my experiences are different than you, which is completely OK obviously. However, I find that this is just part and parcel to MMOing... it takes time to form parties. Even if u could instaqueue with the DF, it would still be a time sink to try and get the kill. There is no way around it... either u take time to form a static, which could take hours in revenants toll... you could wipe over and over with said static for hours on end, only to have to reform it or not... you could also wipe for hours and hours in the DF... at the end of the day there is one commonality throughout.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I only brought up T9 because it's an extreme example but the same thing can apply to T7 to a lesser degree.

T6 has PuG's slide by it every now and then but it will only get you so far. You need like minded players learning the fights relative to yourself to progress and that will most likely never happen without forming a static in one way or another. At least, until these fights get nerfed into the ground from where they are now.

again... something I don't entirely believe in...

Turn 4, I subbed in as a Tank and one shot it (when it was still relevant). Turn 5, plugged away in DF (not PF) and learned it and got it done with a completely random group of strangers, with about 12 minutes left on the timer. This PUGs can't do things like my static can attitude permeates the game and in my experience (read: not a rule by any stretch of the imagination), and defeats people before they even really try.

[AlexionSkylark]

This was my experience with T5. Aaaaaaaaaaallllll day long but got'damn it felt good to finish.

That too... I wouldn't really mind being able to enter T6 in DF and bang my head against walls till it breaks like I did with Ifrit Ex. In fact, I was even eagerly expecting that. When I entered the game post-patch to notice you can still only go there with a pre-formed party was REALLY a cold bucket of water on my head =\

[Lord_Zlatan]

That too... I wouldn't really mind being able to enter T6 in DF and bang my head against walls till it breaks like I did with Ifrit Ex. In fact, I was even eagerly expecting that. When I entered the game post-patch to notice you can still only go there with a pre-formed party was REALLY a cold bucket of water on my head =\

but you will notice now (not sure if you have tried) that since there is no lockout on coil people WILL help you learn it because they have unlimited access to gear now.

[Ellatrix]

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Ok, so by your estimation, asking a teacher to give me an A because I feel like it and I don't want to do homework is a valid approach. Or, telling my boss I should still get paid even though I just half-assed my last project is fine!

Endgame progress is earned, not given. This is also an MMO, so if you fail at properly networking with others, you're not going to get anywhere that requires more than 0 skill to complete.

[Kyri]

Ok, so by your estimation, asking a teacher to give me an A because I feel like it and I don't want to do homework is a valid approach. Or, telling my boss I should still get paid even though I just half-assed my last project is fine!

Endgame progress is earned, not given. This is also an MMO, so if you fail at properly networking with others, you're not going to get anywhere that requires more than 0 skill to complete.

Hardly. Im saying refusing to help people learn without getting paid a ridiculous price for something many of them are able to beat and just cant get a feasible party of 7 other people to beat it with because someone would rather see them fail so they can cash in a paycheck should have repercussions. If there wasn't -such- a large gap between these two sides to a point people are quitting, it wouldn't be a problem but us small chunk of endgamers able to clear all the content aren't putting the majority of the money into SE's pocket, those casual people who -want- to learn and play are by far the larger chunk of gil for the company. In any case I didn't come here to argue with a Merc about my opinion who obviously would rather see people fail then teach them. With that being said
I end my agruement with:


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Maimonides

[Ellatrix]

No the problem is that crowd just wants a win and if they can't get it in 2 attempts they come here to the forums to say the content is too hard.

Also it's really funny how people just generalize and assume things about me because "all mercs are evil" right? I spent the last few weeks before the patch doing basically nothing else outside of raid time but running DF on T5/TitanX with a few people for fun and ended up getting I don't know how many people their first win. You have this twisted idea, but it really comes down to I don't want to spend time watching people die repeatedly to mechanics I mastered 6 months ago. There is no helping that one guy who dies to the FIRST set of plumes on titan every time, no matter how hard you try.

[NyarukoW]

No the problem is that crowd just wants a win and if they can't get it in 2 attempts they come here to the forums to say the content is too hard.
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Who is making unwarranted generalizations? 2 attempts? Seriously!? some made up strawman here! Try weeks after week hours after hours of endless waiting. Put stuff up on the PF and you get less bites that a hook without bait.

but you will notice now (not sure if you have tried) that since there is no lockout on coil people WILL help you learn it because they have unlimited access to gear now.

Not really, when 95% of the those PFs are multiple clears only, farm T6 , farm T7, etc. I have not even seen people PF T9 farm party yet. Obviously they don't want the "noobs". And when they are done farming, they are not going to bother either. And then you have the 1 T6 learning party that doesn't get filled for 3 hours in a row.

[AlexionSkylark]

crowd just wants a win and if they can't get it in 2 attempts

Now that was just offensive. I clearly said in my posts here that I tried for several days and that each of these tries took several hours. And one of the things I'm complaining here is exactly the RAGE QUITTERS who can't stand more than 3 or 4 tries.