The cycle of disbanding that keep casuals from doing content

[Kyri]

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Not really, when 95% of the those PFs are multiple clears only, farm T6 , farm T7, etc. I have not even seen people PF T9 farm party yet. Obviously they don't want the "noobs". And when they are done farming, they are not going to bother either. And then you have the 1 T6 learning party that doesn't get filled for 3 hours in a row.

This is what makes me sad too.. I have been waiting for a while to help people outside my static and these partys are never filling up. Even looking at the Party finder Im already seeing:
t10 pt know to 40% or don't join us
Shiva EX: Farm only
Shiva EX: know to last phase or don't waste our time.
Shiva EX: Selling, pst.

Though as someone who bashed my head against t5 for a good few months myself back in the day and yes though I like to help some fights do make me cringe going back into them, I still help or gather a group who I know can clear to help someone who can clear but can never get a pt who can do so to get the win. One person who was stuck inT5 and asked me almost to a annoying degree to help them past t5 is trying to sell the win for outrageous prices to other people. This does make me sad to a extent. Im not saying everyone and their dog should be able to beat all the content out there right now, just that there needs to be more of a incentive to help these people who do try and try and -could- beat these things and if that's not possible a repercussion to those who only sell help. Being top dog isn't a bad thing, working hard to beat content isn't a bad thing but obviously there is a flaw in the system that needs a solution. Bannable offense might not be the answer it's just the only answer -I- personally see. If someone has a better idea of a system that could work that would be great advice to this forum, rather then: "We deserve it and you don't so stop whining about it"

[Lord_Zlatan]

Who is making unwarranted generalizations? 2 attempts? Seriously!? some made up strawman here! Try weeks after week hours after hours of endless waiting. Put stuff up on the PF and you get less bites that a hook without bait.



Not really, when 95% of the those PFs are multiple clears only, farm T6 , farm T7, etc. I have not even seen people PF T9 farm party yet. Obviously they don't want the "noobs". And when they are done farming, they are not going to bother either. And then you have the 1 T6 learning party that doesn't get filled for 3 hours in a row.

Your missing th point... it's supposed to take time... if u don't have a static you either don't do it or fake the time to get it done... that's really all there is to it

[AlexionSkylark]

crowd just wants a win and if they can't get it in 2 attempts

Now that was just offensive. I clearly said in my posts here that I tried for several days and that each of these tries took several hours. And one of the things I'm complaining here is exactly the RAGE QUITTERS who can't stand more than 3 or 4 tries.

[Kallera]

I'm pretty sure they are nice people irl, but It's hard to think good of the person that asks for millions of gil doing an activity that's usually done for free, and shouts about it regularly. I don't have to pay folks in other parties. I don't ask to be paid for my help.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

hm. well that content isn't meant for casual players. at least not at it's immediate release. it's supposed to be the most challenging/difficult end-game content. lol i kind of thought they would go up to like 9 coils or something.

in any case, that content is not meant for CASUAL gaming.

[AlexionSkylark]

hm. well that content isn't meant for casual players. at least not at it's immediate release. it's supposed to be the most challenging/difficult end-game content. lol i kind of thought they would go up to like 9 coils or something.

in any case, that content is not meant for CASUAL gaming.

I'm talking about SECOND coil, not Final coil.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

I'm talking about SECOND coil, not Final coil.

looks like you are talking about both...

OK, so... I saw the stuff about FCoB and was very excited about it...Then I realized I probably won't be able to even see it until the expansion. And maybe not even then.

Why? Because I'm a filthy casual.

Most, if not all of the FCs in my world (Behemoth) only recruit for statics who raid 3x/week or more. I cannot commit myself so many nights, and therefore those are out if the question. Then... there's the PF. Nice addition to the game, huh? well... not so much.

About 95% of the groups appearing on PF are Farm groups, who expect you to know the fight inside out. If you're a noob who didn't even get to clear the fight, you're out. And when, by miracle, someone (or myself) is forming a T6 learning party there, what happens is that the group takes literally *HOURS* to form (my last attempt took almost 3 hours to form the group) between people coming and leaving cuz stuff is taking too long. Then, when we finally get to the boss, some jerkass (almost always one of the tanks) leaves the group spewing things like "you noobs", "fail group" and what-nots. So, we're back on the PF for another half or full hour to find another tank... or giving up after group morale hits rock bottom.

Now the thing is... that's been happening since very little after the launch of patch 2.2!!!! So, if you didn't clear the fights before the first month, you're out of the loop?

So, my question for the community is... Is that it, then? If you can't go into Coil 3 nights or more a week, you're shut out? Nobody understands the meaning of "learning party" anymore, and we're thrown to the side, unable to do the content cuz lack of will? do ALL tanks have it so easily to the point that not a single one is still chasing content? what is happening? Do we have any hope to clear SCoB, or our only choice is to wait for 2.5 and go in there on the DF?

This is a pretty sad reality, if there are no solutions...

[Kyri]

looks like you are talking about both...

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Perhaps im reading wrong but it sounds to me like hes stating if he isn't caught up to the new content where we are within a 3 week period of it's bordering impossible to find a learning pt for it. Sadly.. I do see this to be the case many of the times and is a leading reason for my defense to casual play help in this forum.

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting until they make it so you can queue alone. a casual player wouldn't mind trying the instance once per week and maybe it taking 1 or more months to complete.

don't get me wrong, i am not trying to say anything bad. but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

[NyarukoW]

.... it's supposed to take time...

a casual player wouldn't mind waiting ...but 9/10 casual players are always behind the rest by like 1~6months.

Being behind is not the problem. But waiting on a PF that never fills? You think people are insane or something? People have waited, do wait, and continue to wait and do other content while waiting. But to see that people with experience would rather sell clears for upwards of 60Mil instead of jumping into a learning party to help, or see all these farm parties that says "no noobs wanted", it is only expected that people should come here and protest.