Ninja damage insane over monk

[Massterchef]

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What? Ok now i'm beginning to think you are trolling me.

For starters, you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target. Secondly, I posted off memory and mean't sneak/trick attack. And Lastly, monk has no positional requirement, similar to dancing edge which you agreed has no requirement, the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear. A positional requirement example would be as you stated Heavy Thrust and impulse drive of a dragoon, because the combo does not register unless you are at the specified position.

Again, have you actually played these classes? Or just watched youtube videos?

[ZodiacSoldier]

For starters, you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target. Secondly, I posted off memory and mean't sneak/trick attack. And Lastly, monk has no positional requirement, similar to dancing edge which you agreed has no requirement, the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear. A positional requirement example would be as you stated Heavy Thrust and impulse drive of a dragoon, because the combo does not register unless you are at the specified position.

Again, have you actually played these classes? Or just watched youtube videos?

I play the classes occasionally since I play more PLD to grind Light, and I work full time so haven't gotten Ninja to 50 yet only about 44.

you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target.

Its true you will use all 3 abilities, but realistically you will only use Raiton as part of your combo, Suiton like i said you will only use when Trick/Sneak are up and those I consider CDs, and Huton is a 70 second buff so I wont consider that as part of you regular rotation.

the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear

Does wording really matter? If you are to play the class correctly you have to be at the right position, in order to get the damage bonus, buff and debuff to register.

[Massterchef]

I play the classes occasionally since I play more PLD to grind Light, and I work full time so haven't gotten Ninja to 50 yet only about 44.

you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target.

Its true you will use all 3 abilities, but realistically you will only use Raiton as part of your combo, Suiton like i said you will only use when Trick/Sneak are up and those I consider CDs, and Huton is a 70 second buff so I wont consider that as part of you regular rotation.

The Ninjutsu Rotation goes Huton - Suiton - Raiton (repeat). You will use Suiton every 3rd ninjutsu provided you are optimizing your DPS assuming Kassatsu isn't up. Each of those are a regular part of your rotation.

[ZodiacSoldier]

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And Remember what I said on my second post I think.

"I'm not saying the Ninja is easier to play, I'm just saying that people are under the misconception that they are harder to play because they are a new class. Once you play it more, it will probably come as second nature. And there aren't enough 50 Ninja yet so I can't say how their DPS compare to other classes."

Its true that Ninja will seem harder to play than MNK and DRG right now, because it hasn't even been a week yet and MNK/DRG has been out for over a year already (not including 1.0). But honestly did you think MNK/DRG were easy to play optimally when you first started it? You have to really play it for like a month or so, then I'm sure you will think that its about the same as MNK/DRG.

The Ninjutsu Rotation goes Huton - Suiton - Raiton (repeat). You will use Suiton every 3rd ninjutsu provided you are optimizing your DPS assuming Kassatsu isn't up. Each of those are a regular part of your rotation.

Ah this is true, since you will rotate these 3 since Huton is 70 seconds, but will have to refresh it 10 secs early and Sneak/Trick attack is on 60 Seconds CD. And since Ninjutsu is on a 20 sec GCD, you will rotate the three.

But like i said i dont have Ninja Max yet, so I havent really tried to optimize their rotation yet, Mindlessly Fate Zerging right now... Fun.

[Massterchef]

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Every class is easy once you've mastered it, that being said the difficulty of Monk/Dragoon are 1 dimensional because there are one set of intangibles that one needs to worry about when moving onto my next step in rotation

For example on Monk, some of the intangibles that go into the consideration of our next skill in rotation are.

Time left on DK
Time left on Demolish
Time left on ToD

However on Ninja we're taking into consideration both Ninjutsu and regular GCDs, for example.

Time left on Mutilate
Time left on Dancing Edge
Time left on SHadow Fang
Time left to use Suiton
Which ninjutsu to use after Kassatsu
Time left to use Huton
and so on.

Its 2-D because you have both a regular skill rotation and ninjutsu rotation to take into consideration when advancing in rotation.

[Gruntler]

Its true you will use all 3 abilities, but realistically you will only use Raiton as part of your combo, Suiton like i said you will only use when Trick/Sneak are up and those I consider CDs, and Huton is a 70 second buff so I wont consider that as part of you regular rotation.

You're wrong.

With Ninjutsu, you're going through abilities in order, going Hoton, Suiton, Raiton, rinse, repeat. You're not using Raiton and occasionally something else, you're going Ability 1, Ability 2, Ability 3, Ability 1, Ability 2, Ability 3.

[Shikyo]

hmmmm really interesting.