Ninja damage insane over monk

[Massterchef]

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The difference between normal CDs and ninjutsu being that they have a low enough CD to occur as frequently as any other skill in your rotation. Moving on.

3 mudras,ninjutsu activation, and 6 other skills comprise majority of ninja rotation, that's 10 skills. Secondly a ninja also has trick attack, sneak attack, and dancing edge with positional stipulation. 1 of which requires positional for the bonus. And to correct you, none of monk skills have of positional requirements. Raiton is not the only ninjutsu there are at least 5 other ninjutsu combos and the ability to put a series of skill on macro does not make them a single skill. There are a lot more inconsistencies in your post but you should probably play these classes yourself for starters before engaging in discussion mechanically about them. I've played all 3 and can tell you easily ninja is the hardest of the 3.

[ChaozK]

The difference between normal CDs and ninjutsu being that they have a low enough CD to occur as frequently as any other skill in your rotation. Moving on.

But for example leg sweep has the same CD as mudras, 20 secs. Why not count that but mudras?

[Massterchef]

But for example leg sweep has the same CD as mudras, 20 secs. Why not count that but mudras?

Its offGCD for one, and because Kassatsu resets mudra/ninjutsu CDs so they are used as frequently as other skills in your rotation.

[ZodiacSoldier]

Its offGCD for one, and because Kassatsu resets mudra/ninjutsu CDs so they are used as frequently as other skills in your rotation.

Yea but Leg Sweep is also off GCD and also 20 sec timer, and Kassatsu has a 2 Min CD.

[Massterchef]

Yea but Leg Sweep is also off GCD and also 20 sec timer, and Kassatsu has a 2 Min CD.

That was my point leg sweep is offGCD,doesn't interrupt your rotation, and you can slot it in between any 2 skills of your rotation. Mudras/ninjutsu have their own set of GCDs(.5s) which can't be interrupted by any of the other GCD(~2s) skills.

And despite the lengthy duration, Kassatsu makes mudra/ninjutsu more regularly used in rotation than any 20s CD skill.

[ZodiacSoldier]

The difference between normal CDs and ninjutsu being that they have a low enough CD to occur as frequently as any other skill in your rotation. Moving on.

3 mudras,ninjutsu activation, and 6 other skills comprise majority of ninja rotation, that's 10 skills. Secondly a ninja also has surprise attack, sneak attack, and dancing edge with positional stipulation. 1 of which requires positional for the bonus. And to correct you, none of monk skills have of positional requirements. Raiton is not the only ninjutsu there are at least 5 other ninjutsu combos and the ability to put a series of skill on macro does not make them a single skill. There are a lot more inconsistencies in your post but you should probably play these classes yourself for starters before engaging in discussion mechanically about them. I've played all 3 and can tell you easily ninja is the hardest of the 3.

3 mudras,ninjutsu activation,and 6 other skills comprise majority of ninja rotation, that's 10 skills. Raiton is not the only ninjutsu there are at least 5 other ninjutsu combos

Yes but you will normally will not use all the ninjutsus non stop


Fuma Shuriken - Is unused at high level
Katon - Is AOE attack, if you include this , then you might as well include the AOE of attacks of MNK and DRG
Raiton - The move I listed cause you will use this in your regular rotation
Hyuton - A bind attack that you won't use in normal rotation
Huton - 70 second buff, so I consider this a CD
Doton - An AOE bind
Suiton - Pretty much considered a CD since you will only use it with Trick attack (Sneak Attack if soloing)

Secondly a ninja also has surprise attack, sneak attack, and dancing edge with positional stipulation.

True, but Sneak and Trick attack are on a 60 sec CD, never heard of Surprise attack. And if you actually read my post, Dancing Edge has NO POSITIONAL requirements, there was a translation error in the english version, the positional requirement does not appear in the Japanese, German etc versions.

And to correct you, none of monk skills have of positional requirements.

What? Ok now i'm beginning to think you are trolling me. Unless you are talking about actual activation, its true that you don't have to be at the right position to use the ability, you do have to be at the right position though to get the bonuses, which in my book is a requirement.

[Massterchef]

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What? Ok now i'm beginning to think you are trolling me.

For starters, you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target. Secondly, I posted off memory and mean't sneak/trick attack. And Lastly, monk has no positional requirement, similar to dancing edge which you agreed has no requirement, the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear. A positional requirement example would be as you stated Heavy Thrust and impulse drive of a dragoon, because the combo does not register unless you are at the specified position.

Again, have you actually played these classes? Or just watched youtube videos?

[ZodiacSoldier]

For starters, you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target. Secondly, I posted off memory and mean't sneak/trick attack. And Lastly, monk has no positional requirement, similar to dancing edge which you agreed has no requirement, the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear. A positional requirement example would be as you stated Heavy Thrust and impulse drive of a dragoon, because the combo does not register unless you are at the specified position.

Again, have you actually played these classes? Or just watched youtube videos?

I play the classes occasionally since I play more PLD to grind Light, and I work full time so haven't gotten Ninja to 50 yet only about 44.

you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target.

Its true you will use all 3 abilities, but realistically you will only use Raiton as part of your combo, Suiton like i said you will only use when Trick/Sneak are up and those I consider CDs, and Huton is a 70 second buff so I wont consider that as part of you regular rotation.

the combos have positional stipulations which give potency benefits if you are at the correct position flank/rear

Does wording really matter? If you are to play the class correctly you have to be at the right position, in order to get the damage bonus, buff and debuff to register.

[Massterchef]

I play the classes occasionally since I play more PLD to grind Light, and I work full time so haven't gotten Ninja to 50 yet only about 44.

you use Suiton, Huton, and Raiton regularly for single target.

Its true you will use all 3 abilities, but realistically you will only use Raiton as part of your combo, Suiton like i said you will only use when Trick/Sneak are up and those I consider CDs, and Huton is a 70 second buff so I wont consider that as part of you regular rotation.

The Ninjutsu Rotation goes Huton - Suiton - Raiton (repeat). You will use Suiton every 3rd ninjutsu provided you are optimizing your DPS assuming Kassatsu isn't up. Each of those are a regular part of your rotation.

[ZodiacSoldier]

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And Remember what I said on my second post I think.

"I'm not saying the Ninja is easier to play, I'm just saying that people are under the misconception that they are harder to play because they are a new class. Once you play it more, it will probably come as second nature. And there aren't enough 50 Ninja yet so I can't say how their DPS compare to other classes."

Its true that Ninja will seem harder to play than MNK and DRG right now, because it hasn't even been a week yet and MNK/DRG has been out for over a year already (not including 1.0). But honestly did you think MNK/DRG were easy to play optimally when you first started it? You have to really play it for like a month or so, then I'm sure you will think that its about the same as MNK/DRG.

The Ninjutsu Rotation goes Huton - Suiton - Raiton (repeat). You will use Suiton every 3rd ninjutsu provided you are optimizing your DPS assuming Kassatsu isn't up. Each of those are a regular part of your rotation.

Ah this is true, since you will rotate these 3 since Huton is 70 seconds, but will have to refresh it 10 secs early and Sneak/Trick attack is on 60 Seconds CD. And since Ninjutsu is on a 20 sec GCD, you will rotate the three.

But like i said i dont have Ninja Max yet, so I havent really tried to optimize their rotation yet, Mindlessly Fate Zerging right now... Fun.