Ninja damage insane over monk

[ZodiacSoldier]

If a ninja is able to keep track of:

1. Mutilate 30-sec bleed
2. Shadow Fang (2-hit combo) 18-sec bleed
3. Dancing Edge (side-positional) 20-sec debuff
4. Huton (3-mudra) 70-sec speed buff on yourself
5. Trick attack 1min CD so that you can Suiton (3-mudra) and execute it
6. Kassatsu CD to reset your ninjutsu timer.
7. Blood for Blood, Internal Release cross-class CDs
8. Execute perfect Raitons (3-mudra), no screwing up (two mudra and activation)
9. Avoid Boss mechanics in melee range.

in a raid scenario, then Ninjas deserve to be in the top DPS spot. It is the most difficult class in FFXIV at the moment.

Yea but alot of this applies to other classes as well, and I honestly don't know why you added CD's to your list but i'll do it too in my examples, take Monk and Dragoon for example.

Monk
1. Maintain Dragon Kick Debuff
2. Maintain 3 stacks of Greased Lightning
3. Pretty much positional requirements for almost all abilities
4. Internal Release CD
5. Maintain Touch of Death Dot
6. Keep Twin Snake buff
7. Keep Demolish Dot up
8. Blood for Blood cross-class CDs
9. Use Perfect Balance CD
10. Avoid Boss mechanics in melee range.

Dragoon
1. Use all 3 jumps on CD (and without dying)
2. Use Power Surge on CD
3. Maintain Heavy Thrust buff
4. Use Life Surge on CD
5. Few Positional Requirement moves
6. Keep Phlebotomize Dot Up
7. Keep Chaos Thrust Dot Up
8. Keep Disembowel debuff up
9. Internal Release cross-class CDs
10. Use Blood for Blood CD
11. Avoid Boss mechanics in melee range.

The only thing that makes Ninja hard right now is because of the Mudra combos, once you get use to it, it will be alot easier.

[Massterchef]

Also a question about that parse. Was that final time that you showed from running dry on TP, or did you just end the parse?

Just ended the parse

[Ricdeau]

Just ended the parse

Thanks! Pretty good parse by the way. Looks like ninja will sit in a pretty nice spot for DPS.

[Massterchef]

stuff

A monk/dragoon have a 6-7 button rotation minus long cooldowns that are constantly used in rotation. Including Mudras a ninja has around 10 under the same circumstances. The more variation a class has, the harder it is.

[Ephier]

I'm just watching my friend thats level 48 just destory mobs in seconds faster then a drag or a monk could do.

Even worse is they don't need Pos requirement.

I think ninja's are gonna be the new monk

Monk doesn't even get DK until level 50, how can you make an assessment on damage like that?

[ChaozK]

A monk/dragoon have a 6-7 button rotation minus long cooldowns that are constantly used in rotation. Including Mudras a ninja has around 10 under the same circumstances. The more variation a class has, the harder it is.

Mudras are CDs though. You cant count CDs for one job and dismiss them for others. Without any CDs NIN rotation has only 6 buttons while MNK has 7 and DRG has 8 (not that it really matters though).

[ZodiacSoldier]

A monk/dragoon have a 6-7 button rotation minus long cooldowns that are constantly used in rotation. Including Mudras a ninja has around 10 under the same circumstances. The more variation a class has, the harder it is.

If we take out all the long cool downs and just count the rotations buttons (including DOTs), minus the "execute" style abilities that they use when mobs are below a certain health

Drg has 8 Button, Monk has 7 and Ninja has 6 plus Raiton combo (3 button presses), but honestly you can just probably put Raiton into 1 Macro button to make it 7 buttons. While at the same time Drg has 2 of them with positional requirements while Monk has like 6, Ninja have 1 or none, I was told that Dancing Edge have a mistranslation in the English notes, you don't need positional requirements to get the bonus, just need to combo it.

I'm not saying the Ninja is easier to play, I'm just saying that people are under the misconception that they are harder to play because they are a new class. Once you play it more, it will probably come as second nature. And there aren't enough 50 Ninja yet so I can't say how their DPS compare to other classes.


Damn you ChaozK, you posted what I wanted to saying when I was typing it. T.T

[treuhavik]

"My jobs is harder to play, so I'm more important!"

"Nu uh! Mine is harder!!"

<both pounce into swirling ball of dust>

Doesn't matter =D

NIN does good damage, it's balanced well among the DPS. "Thay terk err jerrrb!" doesn't apply to anyone. /huzzah

Good job SE and thanks to those who did the work to prove the title of this thread incorrect!

Now, let's get back to the game and play what we enjoy to the best of our ability.

[Aphel]

Okay after extensive testing, going through rotations again and again, here's an update:

Naked Monk with 110 weapon, 3mins : 236.94 (Perfect rotation)
Naked Ninja with 110 weapon, 3mins : 222 (The best out of 3 perfect rotations, maintaining Dancing Edge)

The gap will be wider with full 110 equips.
Here are the stark, solid facts.

My Ninja is still way more complex to play than Monk. Perhaps you find it easy to play Ninja, good for you. For me, it truly busts my brain. I have to devote every single bit of attention to every little detail.

[SolarMisae]

i110 with HA ninja wep, with food, no dex pots. Flawless rotation for the most part except for accidentally using a fuma shuriken over raiton once, and this would be a best-of parse I'd say 450~ is the average. I've seen monks output an average of 470 over the same circumstances so no, monks still have top DPS in fights with atleast 90% uptime. And using open world mobs to state otherwise is not what I'd consider credible.

http://i.imgur.com/IwdCU6W.png

Mind sharing your rotation? I just got my ninja to 50 today and sometime I wanna sit down and practice some rotations for it.