Ninja damage insane over monk

[MrCookTM]

After playing with Ninja more, I've come to realize they're a little broken atm.

1. Huton gives you 70sec of increased attack speed. At first I thought this was autoattacks but it extends to skillspeed. I'm not geared but before Huton = 2.42sec GCD. After Huton this is reduced to 2.05secs, for a full 70 secs duration.

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And why exactly is that broken? Monk GL3 should be broken then even more so. The first parses from skilled players (= players that are already running T11 on Nin) are showing avg dps of ~410 over a 4 min dummy parse. Of course the job is new and players will find ways to improve rotation, but 410 is more than 100 dps less than the sustained of an i110 monk and i doubt that rotation adjustments are going to squeeze out 25%+ and more to get nin up on par with monk in terms of single target sustained dps.

[Massterchef]

i110 with HA ninja wep, with food, no dex pots. Flawless rotation for the most part except for accidentally using a fuma shuriken over raiton once, and this would be a best-of parse I'd say 450~ is the average. I've seen monks output an average of 470 over the same circumstances so no, monks still have top DPS in fights with atleast 90% uptime. And using open world mobs to state otherwise is not what I'd consider credible.

[Ricdeau]

i110 with HA ninja wep, with food, no dex pots. Flawless rotation for the most part except for accidentally using a fuma shuriken over raiton once, and this would be a best-of parse I'd say 450~ is the average. I've seen monks output an average of 470 over the same circumstances so no, monks still have top DPS in fights with atleast 90% uptime. And using open world mobs to state otherwise is not what I'd consider credible.

On a dummy in full i110 a monk should average more in the 480-485 range (pending lucky crits obviously). Also a question about that parse. Was that final time that you showed from running dry on TP, or did you just end the parse?

[Massterchef]

Also a question about that parse. Was that final time that you showed from running dry on TP, or did you just end the parse?

Just ended the parse

[SolarMisae]

i110 with HA ninja wep, with food, no dex pots. Flawless rotation for the most part except for accidentally using a fuma shuriken over raiton once, and this would be a best-of parse I'd say 450~ is the average. I've seen monks output an average of 470 over the same circumstances so no, monks still have top DPS in fights with atleast 90% uptime. And using open world mobs to state otherwise is not what I'd consider credible.

http://i.imgur.com/IwdCU6W.png

Mind sharing your rotation? I just got my ninja to 50 today and sometime I wanna sit down and practice some rotations for it.

[Massterchef]

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The difference between normal CDs and ninjutsu being that they have a low enough CD to occur as frequently as any other skill in your rotation. Moving on.

3 mudras,ninjutsu activation, and 6 other skills comprise majority of ninja rotation, that's 10 skills. Secondly a ninja also has trick attack, sneak attack, and dancing edge with positional stipulation. 1 of which requires positional for the bonus. And to correct you, none of monk skills have of positional requirements. Raiton is not the only ninjutsu there are at least 5 other ninjutsu combos and the ability to put a series of skill on macro does not make them a single skill. There are a lot more inconsistencies in your post but you should probably play these classes yourself for starters before engaging in discussion mechanically about them. I've played all 3 and can tell you easily ninja is the hardest of the 3.

[Massterchef]

Mind sharing your rotation? I just got my ninja to 50 today and sometime I wanna sit down and practice some rotations for it.

Posting on my iPad atm, when I get back to my computer I will.

[Ephier]

I'm just watching my friend thats level 48 just destory mobs in seconds faster then a drag or a monk could do.

Even worse is they don't need Pos requirement.

I think ninja's are gonna be the new monk

Monk doesn't even get DK until level 50, how can you make an assessment on damage like that?

[treuhavik]

"My jobs is harder to play, so I'm more important!"

"Nu uh! Mine is harder!!"

<both pounce into swirling ball of dust>

Doesn't matter =D

NIN does good damage, it's balanced well among the DPS. "Thay terk err jerrrb!" doesn't apply to anyone. /huzzah

Good job SE and thanks to those who did the work to prove the title of this thread incorrect!

Now, let's get back to the game and play what we enjoy to the best of our ability.

[Aphel]

Okay after extensive testing, going through rotations again and again, here's an update:

Naked Monk with 110 weapon, 3mins : 236.94 (Perfect rotation)
Naked Ninja with 110 weapon, 3mins : 222 (The best out of 3 perfect rotations, maintaining Dancing Edge)

The gap will be wider with full 110 equips.
Here are the stark, solid facts.

My Ninja is still way more complex to play than Monk. Perhaps you find it easy to play Ninja, good for you. For me, it truly busts my brain. I have to devote every single bit of attention to every little detail.