Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[Ghasto]

Abd of COURSE T1-9 is easy for YOU if you have Nexus/High allagan weapon and maximum current available iLvL thanks to soldery and high allagan. There still are people, who would have thought, that are not overgeared for every thing in the game.

Oh get off of it, are you seriously implying raiders who cleared content while it was relevant put no effort into it? Just waltzed in with their shiny mysteriously gained High Allagan weapons and 110 gear and oneshot the fight?
People put weeks, months even, into tackling this content, we went into Second Coil at i90 on DAY ONE and PUSHED OURSELVES to clear it.
Why then should those rewards get pawned off to people less competent and less dedicated? That idea is LUDICROUS.
Either put the effort into clearing content, or don't even look at it.

[odintius]

Oh get off of it, are you seriously implying raiders who cleared content while it was relevant put no effort into it? Just waltzed in with their shiny mysteriously gained High Allagan weapons and 110 gear and oneshot the fight?
People put weeks, months even, into tackling this content, we went into Second Coil at i90 on DAY ONE and PUSHED OURSELVES to clear it.
Why then should those rewards get pawned off to people less competent and less dedicated? That idea is LUDICROUS.
Either put the effort into clearing content, or don't even look at it.

Because at that time you'll be in the new gear sets of final turn of bahumut and the lesser people will not and the cycle continues after each patch. >.>

[SendohJin]

i don't see how they put Turn 7 into Duty Finder without any changes.

what happens when you go into DF with a job comp of PLD PLD MNK DRG DRG NIN WHM WHM.

it's basically the same reason why they nerfed High Voltage in T2 for DF for when you can get in without a BRD/PLD.

[Prototype909]

Because at that time you'll be in the new gear sets of final turn of bahumut and the lesser people will not and the cycle continues after each patch. >.>

Casual players already have access to i110 gear without raiding and would have access to even higher ilevel gear once 2.4 comes out through new tome gear. Uncapped soldiery will also be a thing by that point so you can't even use the "B-but the new players!" excuse.

If they can't clear raids they don't need raid gear (Especially if they only want it for vanity purposes), especially when equal alternatives are plentiful in this game. All nerfing Coil does is push people's frustration down the line. People who still have not cleared T5 would not be able to clear T9 even if you deleted T5 as a fight and just allowed access into Second Coil for free. There is nothing forcing people to do Coil, it is not tied to progression aside from progressing to the next Raid.

[ReplicaX]

I think this thread is proof of why the Devs take the middle ground on this with previous patch content.

[odintius]

Casual players already have access to i110 gear without raiding and would have access to even higher ilevel gear once 2.4 comes out through new tome gear. Uncapped soldiery will also be a thing by that point so you can't even use the "B-but the new players!" excuse.

If they can't clear raids they don't need raid gear (Especially if they only want it for vanity purposes), especially when equal alternatives are plentiful in this game.

Then they shouldn't of put a story behind any of the raids then, you know the trailer of that big red ball in the sky that a huge dragon comes out leave you thinking oh wait what happened afterward feelz and using youtube as an excuse doesn't cut it for some btw.

[Prototype909]

Then they shouldn't of put a story behind any of the raids then, you know the cutscene of that big red ball in the sky that a huge dragon comes out leave you thinking oh wait what happened afterward feelz and using youtube as an excuse doesn't cut it for some btw.

They already said they're planning on implementing Coil Story mode (Or something of that nature) for people who are interested in just the plot but not the fights.

[Edenholt]

There is the one side. Special snow flakes that are like "I don't want others to have the gear that I have"
There is the other side. A lot of players that are like "Would mechanic x or y be a bit less punishing, we would have cleared it."

Abd of COURSE T1-9 is easy for YOU if you have Nexus/High allagan weapon and maximum current available iLvL thanks to soldery and high allagan. There still are people, who would have thought, that are not overgeared for every thing in the game.

1 - Lore-wise Coil is supposed to be a fight to the death, you against an ancient enemy created to hold down Bahamut. All the complexity and the one-shot mechanics are to reflect it. You're not fighting some Corpse Brigadier, you're facing Godlike enemies.
2 - Do you wanna the best gear, then FIGHT for it.
3 - You dont need ilvl110 to finish coil. If you need gear to compensate for bad skills then you should practice your class more. Stop lying to yourself. Almost win is the same as failing, and you fail because you weren't good enough... YET. Beating a challenge requires effort.

This Special Snowflake BS is getting old. SE put Coil to be THE challange of the game, something for you as a gamer to feel proud about. If you're not supposed to get nice reward for beating the hardest, then better not even add anything. This fluffy community doesn't seems to want anything more challenging than faceroll hunts.

[Ilitsa]

I'm a little dissapointed I haven't had a chance to try SCoB yet, I've cleared T5 but 4 people in my FC static haven't yet (I helped a couple people through the fight a few times) so I'm kinda just waiting around on them lol.


That being said, I don't think it's necessarily a BAD thing to make old content more accessible while newer content is left more difficult. I do wish we could toggle the echo effect off though if we so chose.

[Prototype909]

I do wish we could toggle the echo effect off though if we so chose.

You can do this, albeit only on an individual level. Click off the buff like any other buff.