Cash shop confirmed

[Asierid]

I can't read

Because they have? Just because you don't want to read doesn't mean the facts are not there. People don't resub to content (That has not been updated in almost a year, BTW) they have already beaten and a broken 6.0 patch. The cash shop was officially added in-game (thus giving it easy access) as of the beginning of this year. You just don't suddenly get 600K subs tomorrow, I know you don't want to hear it, but that's not how this works. Sure, Warlords has something to do with it as well, but that's not the only issue.

I like how you ignore the other two points, regardless of attempting to try to find a flaw in the first. You can stop with the attacks now, you're turning into the obnoxious one.

EDIT: Still nothing on how this is bad aside from personal opinion, which is cool. You hate it, you hate it, whatever.

[Elim]

My fear is that they're going to end up doing what SW:TOR did with the cash shop. Not only does SW:TOR's cash shop have exclusive content unlock(like actual STORY missions that can only be bought through the cash shop), SW:TOR also spends over half of their development time on creating items for their cash shop. Major patches include something like one flash point(which is called a dungeon in FF14) and fifty new nifty cash shop items. Most patches are only cash shop items and a few bug fixes. SW:TOR didn't start that way. It took awhile for them to get to that point.

[maxthunder1]

And thus the F2P safety net is laid down.

I already new that by how much vanity was being added. The question now is when will this go f2p cause when it dose , they will lose a lot of loyal fans, I am one of them.

[Asierid]

My fear is that they're going to end up doing what SW:TOR did with the cash shop. Not only does SW:TOR's cash shop have exclusive content unlock(like actual STORY missions that can only be bought through the cash shop), SW:TOR also spends over half of their development time on creating items for their cash shop. Major patches include something like one flash point(which is called a dungeon in FF14) and fifty new nifty cash shop items. Most patches are only cash shop items and a few bug fixes. SW:TOR didn't start that way. It took awhile for them to get to that point.

That's EA talking. You shouldn't be surprised. EA is nothing but a giant cash grab anyway.

[Firepower]

If they use the cash shop to first add fantasia and retainers (as they already have) then supplement that with previous years seasonal goods (which are also for sale by vendors during the event next year etc..) throw in some low rng minions and mounts like the primal mounts and things like Nutkin I can't imagine that being a bad thing, there is clearly demand for these minions and mounts but most people don't have hundreds of hours farming primals to get a mount or minion and would happily pay a few dollars for it, some people prefer to farm it but aslong as they are both obtainable ingame and via the shop (I would also expect them to make sure things like nutkin cash shop minions are non tradable as not to damage the market of the unhidden maps) I don't see how anybody loses out.

The extra cash can then be reinvested into the main development of the game allowing them to hire more staff to create extra content and experiment with new ideas and projects that their current income would deem too risky. Furthermore the implementation of Gold Saucer could be host to millions of minions and mounts some being too expensive for your average person to obtain realistically unless they got really lucky gambling or on whatever games they implement in gold saucer for you to buy them with, adding these into a cash shop alongside would alleviate the stress on some players who may want an item but unwilling to give up playtime of progression on coil or new content just to grind gold saucer.

[kyuven]

That's EA talking. You shouldn't be surprised. EA is nothing but a giant cash grab anyway.

Boy is that an understatement...
I'll admit to being pretty OK with cash shops, but if it ever gets to the point of SW:TOR's, you quit.
Let me tell you my precise point for being annoyed with any MMO: "Goody Bags." Those containers you buy that contain random loot.
Buy.
with real money.
SW:TOR has almost as many of those as the pokemon TCG has booster sets. It's nightmarish.

[KenzieLynch]

Because they have? Just because you don't want to read doesn't mean the facts are not there. People don't resub to content (That has not been updated in almost a year, BTW) they have already beaten and a broken 6.0 patch. The cash shop was officially added in-game (thus giving it easy access) as of the beginning of this year. You just don't suddenly get 600K subs tomorrow, I know you don't want to hear it, but that's not how this works. Sure, Warlords has something to do with it as well, but that's not the only issue.

I like how you ignore the other two points, regardless of attempting to try to find a flaw in the first. You can stop with the attacks now, you're turning into the obnoxious one.

EDIT: Still nothing on how this is bad aside from personal opinion, which is cool. You hate it, you hate it, whatever.

This is actually quite humorous. You do realise that any person reading this thread can simply click on the link you provided, and see for themselves that it no way does it mention a cash shop as a reason for a spike in subscribers. It's funny because even if it did, which it doesn't, the idea that Warlords of Draenor only "has something to do with it", and isn't the primary reason for the increase in subscribers is just....insane. My god man.

You seem to think this whole "bull in a china shop" routine works for you. That you can snip peoples comments and replace them with insults, type next after everything you say like it's your signature, and that it somehow lends any validity to the absurd ideas you are trying to shove down peoples throats, all the while calling them facts and citing sources that say nothing of the sort. Assuming, probably, that just because there's a link in your comment that we will take your word for it without clicking.

Well, it ends here. I'm not fond of the bullying type, which is exactly what you are. You can fire your editor because i'm going to pick apart every piece of nonsense you come out with from here on out.

[JarinArenos]

That's EA talking. You shouldn't be surprised. EA is nothing but a giant cash grab anyway.

Square Enix hasn't exactly earned the trust that they're not going to abuse this, either. There's several examples, just in the past few years, of them overloading on DLC and cash-grabs (Lightning being removed for DLC in XIII-2 and huge chunks of content in LR:FFXIII... and we'll just not discuss the travesty of All the Bravest). They're not EA by a long shot, but they're hardly above reproach or deserving of this unquestioning trust.

[KenzieLynch]

Also consider that the game is 10 years old. Most games go through fluctuations in subscribers if they're actually worth playing, but eventually the numbers go down simply because players will feel they're "finished" with the game and move on.

Indeed. My comment wasn't a slight at WoW, but a response to a comment which suggested the game was still on the rise. Or something to that effect.

[KenzieLynch]

How is it any better when you tell someone they are spouting out utter garbage when voicing an opinion? Take notes from Catsby in his/her posts. It's possible to voice an opinion about something without coming off a bit brash. While I'm for the Cash shop, at least I have an idea of why people are against it, and can relate to it. I'm all for the argument, lets all just get along

Asierid is trying to pass off 'facts' that aren't actually facts at all. That's the garbage I was referring to, not his opinion. Sometimes a certain amount of 'brash' is necessary when dealing with a particularly aggressive individual.