Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

I do wonder how many FC's bought their home as a result of clear selling Titan HM wins and RMT buying, hmmm. Which at least I saw on Balmung did um, kinda divide up the community as a result.

I don't know about you server, but I can say it safe to guess this happening to some degree on all servers. Morever all this already happening without a "clearance condition", so with the check box in place you can expect this to be total windfall for the RMT and great a giant canyon dividing up the player base. Maybe you like things that way.

As for gardening and chocobo raising, we have people in our FC that helps everyone else do that. They help me. You just need to wait your turn, and need to contribute to tending the gardens here and there. You are in not way excluded from any of the housing related stuff. Join a FC and play together and have fun, enjoy the company of other people. Is this really so hard? You might actually get a workable farm party if you asked for players to show up in their golden magitek mounts and know the fight.

If you want a solo personal trophy house you have to earn it, just like you would a bluebird or tonberry or atma/animus/novus/nexus. Personal vanity should be difficult to get at. Nobody should be excluded from parties based on vanity items right? Or you really want the PF to have a checkbox that enforces only people with warlions and bluebirds are allowed to join.

[Yoninxi]

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Vanity should be hard to get, but clearing difficult content consistently should be even harder because you have to teach newbies every single run should they chose to join your farm group?

[Aylis]

Join a FC and play together and have fun, enjoy the company of other people. Is this really so hard?

If you want a solo personal trophy house you have to earn it, just like you would a bluebird or tonberry or atma/animus/novus/nexus. Personal vanity should be difficult to get at.

Thank you! You said what I wanted to hear! So just like you just said in the case with housing sooo then why can't exactly a new person, you know? Seek out a FC to learn raid events with to grow with and stay just exactly as that and not even use the evil elitist party finder all together..until maybe when a time comes when they...know the fight and want to farm it on their own free will with others that want the same goals....like how the party finder was made for in the first place?

I'll politely ignore the comment of comparing nexus weapons to vanity items, that's just....yeah... I will say though I'm really happy you play FFXIV because I'd hate to witness how you would react to games where getting started in raiding is not as lax as it is here and new people have a much easier chance to break into raiding here if they so choose with the options at their fingertips.

[NyarukoW]

Thank you! You said what I wanted to hear! ... Seek out a FC to learn raid events with to grow with and stay just exactly as that..

And they should never use the party finder for evil to exclude other people. I always advocated for people working together, join and FC, use the LS, form a static. These are good things to do. I don't know why you think people after a while all need to be like that and abuse the PF to exclude people just to farm. I reminds of "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" , why is it that you think all the nice people as they progress and all have to turn into witches?

A Party Finder that doesn't segregate is a pretty crappy Party Finder, ...

The party finder is for bringing people together with common goal and not a tool to segregate and divide up the player base. It is actually working very well. Those who want "quick and easy" kill/clear/farms all deserve each other. If you don't put in the effort to recruit people for your farm static, and if you don't up in the effort to learn the fight, and just want the "quick and easy", what you get is a "quick and easy" wipe and that is the just reward for people that don't up in the effort to do things the right way.

Just because you may have learned the fight does NOT entitle you have other people at your beck and call to farm, and a "clearance condition" will get you the same people that have no experience and/or no skill but merely bought the clears. And in the process this promotes RMT, and it divides up the playerbase. The "clearance condition" not only will not achieve its goal, but also it will be bad for the game overall, and a PR nightmare for SE because "clearance condition" equals "we hate new players" or "new players not wanted".

[Gucci_Charms]

QQ Delusional Rants

So unless a farming party that wants previous winners and fully experienced players is not willing to accept new players into their party, they have no right to use Party Finder? Laughable.

With that said, no one is allowed to Party Finder unless new players are welcomed in their party? New players should just be allowed to bypass any requirements or conditions that are preset by the party leader? LOL.

You are saying all farming parties must be a pre-made static that can never use Party Finder even if this group requires fill-ins? How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party? Are they supposed to /tell everyone on their friends list, LS, FC instead of just using Party Finder? You are forgetting a farming party can comprise of 8 random players that have never grouped with each other.

The reality of the FFXIV community is that not everyone wants to hold hands and waste each other's time when the majority of players are busy people. If they want to help each other, that would be great. I'm sure everyone in here can vouch they enjoy helping new players to an extent. When they are trying to work on their own needs in-game, however, they are not obligated to help you.

TLDR: You only want Party Finder designed to accommodate your own specific play style. You clearly do not understand the Party Finder's functionality. Hilarious troll post!!!!!!!!!!!

[NyarukoW]

... How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party?...

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

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As soon as you start restricting which classes and ilvls are appropriate for your PF, you are beginning to segregate potential members from the prospective member population. ...

iLevel requirements do no get you skilled or experience players. Everyone knows that gear level does not equal skill, it is there because the instances themselves have iLevel minimum requirements. And you can't really stop someone from joining and then taking advantage of the group and switching to spirit bonding gear either. And classes are open to everyone, all they need to is play the different classes, and it is easy to gear up all the different classes from fates and hunts if they so choose. So for all effective purposes, those criteria selections do not really segregate or discriminate.

[Gucci_Charms]

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. The 7 other players will just be wasting their time. How is that a win-win for everyone? Wiping hours with a new dude vs several successful runs in allowed timeframe. Which of these options makes more sense to the farming party? The purpose of farming parties is to reduce any possibilities of error, resulting in more loot earned and time saved. The purpose of a learning party, on the other hand, is to wipe for a long period of time till you are fully knowledgeable of all aspects of the fight.


The point that many and myself have asked multiple times in this thread is what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party? You have yet to provide a solid answer to this question. If you decide to answer it, please use a logical answer instead of using one of your extreme handicap, mentally disabled, PR, or stupid real life comparisons that actually add no value to your arguments.

[NyarukoW]

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. ....

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

[Ashkendor]

Just because you may have learned the fight does NOT entitle you have other people at your beck and call to farm, and a "clearance condition" will get you the same people that have no experience and/or no skill but merely bought the clears. And in the process this promotes RMT, and it divides up the playerbase. The "clearance condition" not only will not achieve its goal, but also it will be bad for the game overall, and a PR nightmare for SE because "clearance condition" equals "we hate new players" or "new players not wanted".

Just because you may not have learned a fight does NOT entitle you to have other people at your beck and call to help you clear. I'm not sure how many times people can say that it doesn't equate to "we hate new players". I help new players all the time. I don't see why me wanting to have a couple of hours of quick, clean runs with other people that are veterans to a fight suddenly makes me the devil.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I always advocated for people working together

Glad we agree that everyone should be cooperative.