Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[ExKage]

You make threats to blacklist people because they disagree with you?

Pretty sure he's not threatening you since he doesn't want to coerce you into doing anything. He's just saying your poor attitude and form shown here on these forums means he wouldn't want to join a learning/whatever group with you ever. You could be all the good player you can be without any of the clears people are talking about but with an attitude like yours it's simple for them not to want to deal with and will ignore you.

[NyarukoW]

... your poor attitude and form ...

Because I refuse to let the bullies abuse newbies and resist the their attempt to install a "no newbies wanted" button?

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But OP your still right wrong

Fixed it for you.

[AdamFyi]

Because I refuse to let the bullies abuse newbies and resist the their attempt to install a "no newbies wanted" button?

Fixed it for you.

No, your arguments against this feature are by all means very good and also valid. However, the way you present your argument pretty much renders your efforts fruitless because you're giving a bad impression of yourself and the ones you defend making people less likely to agree with you.

Another point is to not shove your opinion down other people's throats. They don't have to agree with you nor do you have to agree with them. So please everyone, for the sake of the ones you defend, stop with the insults.

[Gucci_Charms]

If you are on the PF you are begging for help from other players. Beggars can not be choosers. The "no newbies wanted" check box is fundamentally wrong, practically nonfunctional, causes tremendous collateral damage and will be a PR nightmare.

Beggers cannot be choosers you say?

Odd. My party finder group for Ramuh Extreme last night got filled fast last night. My requirements were the following:

Multiple runs for the loot.
Serious play with high-level gear.
Custom field said: Do not join if you have no prior wins, you will be booted if you hold back group or are trying to get carried for a win.

My PF group took less than 10 minutes to fill while I watched Netflix. I had two /tells from 2 players who never beat the fight and only made it to the Adds phase - aka new players. I told them they could not join.

The players who joined my PF, however, all had clears and we were able to successfully farm Ramuh Extreme for a long period of time.

I certainly did not have any issues picking who I wanted. The players that joined were those who wanted to farm, met the requirements, and had the skills to do multiple efficient runs. I did not beg people to join my PF since they joined at their own accord to accomplish the objective: farming.

As far as I am concerned, the one's begging from last night's situation were the two new players who only made it to Adds phase, hoping they could get carried for their first win.

[ExKage]

As far as I am concerned, the one's begging from last night's situation were the two new players who only made it to Adds phase, hoping they could get carried for their first win.

This is a baseless statement and you had no reason to say this; it just shows poor form on your part. Unless you have played with those players you have no idea what their skill levels were. You don't know if they've just had horrible parties or if they want to get carried. They could very easily have performed just as well as the people who have REX on farm.

What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it.

[Gucci_Charms]

This is a baseless statement and you had no reason to say this; it just shows poor form on your part. Unless you have played with those players you have no idea what their skill levels were. You don't know if they've just had horrible parties or if they want to get carried. They could very easily have performed just as well as the people who have REX on farm.

What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it.

They said they only made it to Adds phase. What part of that did you not read or understand? They explicitly said they never made it past the Adds phase and have never cleared the fight. Thus, they are still new players to the fight.

Why chance it for myself and the other 5 players? It was a farm party designed for players who have multiple wins and have full knowledge of the entire fight - not only a portion of it.

There is nothing efficient for farming or weekly clears when you take players who are new or have only experienced a minor portion of the fight - the point of this entire thread. Hence, why OP and many others are supportive for a clearance filter function.

[ExKage]

They said they only made it to Adds phase. What part of that did you not read or understand? They explicitly said they never made it past the Adds phase and have never cleared the fight. Thus, they are still new players to the fight.


Why chance it for myself and the other 5 players? It was a farm party designed for players who have multiple wins and have full knowledge of the entire fight - not only a portion of it.

I never said anything about whether or not you are -right- to exclude them. What I did have issue with is that you called them -beggars- just by asking you. You have just as low comprehension of my statement which is not about "oh god you didn't let them in", as I said "What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it."

Adds phase is very easy to get to, I agree. However Ramuh doesn't get -that much- harder afterwards. You still have orbs. You still have chaotic. You still have cleaves. You get OH GOSH TETHER AND THE LASERS. Um. Yes.

You didn't want to chance it. I get it. I agree with it. What I said was that unless you have played with them, you do not know for sure their skill level just reasonable suspect. You do not know for sure if you are going to have to carry them. Reasonable suspect.

[Ashkendor]

This is a baseless statement and you had no reason to say this; it just shows poor form on your part. Unless you have played with those players you have no idea what their skill levels were. You don't know if they've just had horrible parties or if they want to get carried. They could very easily have performed just as well as the people who have REX on farm.

What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it.

As someone that's on the learning stage for Ramuh, I'd like to set this straight. My group made it to the adds phase on our second attempt, with only 2 of the members having prior experience. The first attempt failed due to one tank (me) being new to the fight and not picking up on the swap mechanic right off the bat. The adds phase isn't very far into the battle and is a HUGE hurdle. If those players haven't even been past that, there's no way they can be expected to perform through the rest of the fight. It's basically like saying you've never lived past the heart phase on Titan. From what I understand from guides and videos, the mechanics only get more difficult from there.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

This is a baseless statement and you had no reason to say this; it just shows poor form on your part. Unless you have played with those players you have no idea what their skill levels were. You don't know if they've just had horrible parties or if they want to get carried. They could very easily have performed just as well as the people who have REX on farm.

What you do know is that their skill level is unknown and you did not want to chance it.

True, they may or not be skilled. But what I'm curious was their attitude when told no. If they were gracious about it, I'd be more willing to help them clear content at a later time. If they acted like entitled brats, not so much.

[NyarukoW]

...I did not beg people to join my PF since they joined at their own accord to accomplish the objective: farming.
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You were certainly begging for other players to join you on the farm PF. You let the system do the actual begging for you. A PF is a request for other players to help you so you are begging. That is why I always thank the party host because they have to put in the effort to beg for people to join. Also the newer players did you a courtesy and asked first. But you take people for granted. That much is obvious.

And it show new players show that they are NOT looking to ninja or leech a win, and people in general are conscientious and you do not need a "no newbie wanted" check box. You just hate newbies and/or newer players. That too is obvious. You just want to reap the rewards of other people teaching and other people learning for your own personal gain. And worse yet you want a "no newbies wanted" check box and have the system hand it to you, regardless of the fact it does NOT work and it has all the negatives.