Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[CSX]

Holy sweet mother of god! ya'll are still feeding this trollface (NyarukoW)?! I glanced over this thread this morning (11AM) and I'm now getting ready to go home (6PM) from work and the SAME people are still feeding. . .holy crap. . .I'm nasty style GOBSMACKED!! *closes browser and goes home. . . .*

[Alistaire]

I am out of posts for today so you guys can rag on me all you want and have at it. But your hatred for new players is coming thru loud and clear. I am just happy the SE looks out for the new players a lot more than you do.

1. This post completely changes my feelings on the daily post limit.

2. I love new players; I help them out quite a bit. But I do not owe you all of my time in every endeavor, and the moment someone like you starts to expect to be included in everything including farm runs to get you carried, that's the moment you'll stop getting any kind of help from me.

Good to know this thread will gain a lot more sense for a day or so.

[AdamFyi]

I'll just leave this here.

Party Finder
Find and recruit party members based on conditions you specify.
* This feature is unlocked after progressing to a certain point.

Source

[Dwill]

The recruitment criteria is not meant to for people be jerks towards the rest of the player base. It certainly doesn't know about the "people you don't want". The recruitment criteria only asks for roles that needs to be filled. And there is no criteria for skill level, and SE can not and will not implement such a thing. They won't even let you parse and get DPS numbers, because you'll probably want a criteria check box that sets minimum DPS numbers, it will probably be more effective than "clearance condition" check box.

You're living in a imaginary world if you think that there isn't at least one person parsing in each PF Coils group and you're even deeper in your own fantasy world if you think people won't kick someone doing 200 DPS in things like T8. If someone is holding the group back, the group will kick said player due to lack of skills and GMs will not do anything about it.

I personally haven't done T8 or T9 and I approve of this suggestion. If someone wants to do it with experienced players only, it is entirely within their rights and if I want to do T8 and T9 in the future, I'll go with friends/learning party/kill party that don't mind first timer and that's just fine.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

There is no double standard. You people take for granted the people that join and help fill out your parties so you can do stuff. You fail to see that you are benefitting from the kindness of others, and that the power to join should always remain with the players joining, and the party creator, using the system like the "clearance condition" to exclude them. To put it bluntly, if you are on the PF, you are begging, and beggars do not have the right be choosers.

So deception=altruism now?

This reminds me. Just the other day I signed a contract with the Denver Broncos. I have no previous football experience, but out of the goodness of my heart, I joined their team. I know my rights and I am entitled to having the team teach me how to play.

[NyarukoW]

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This reminds me. Just the other day I signed a contract with the Denver Broncos. ..

You know they do have walk-on tryouts right? But if you don't make the cut there, you don't make it. Similarly, the PF should be used for tryouts for your farm static, and test to see who can make the cut. Your beloved Broncos would certainly love to have all the best players volunteer to play for free for them, but it doesn't work like that in real life either. They have to put in all the efforts to scout and track and observe all the players and then negotiate with players and then compete with other teams for players. There is no easy button to build a good team in real life, and the "clearance condition" won't make that possible in game either.

BTW you do know teams like the Broncos do camps for kids right, and invite all sort of to play and learn the game. They do provide mentoring and teaching at multiple levels. They do a lot more outreach and try to be positive influence for the community. They do not look to exclude people from playing football.

Farm Party in Party Finder - everyone is lazy, should have a static

Farm party In party finder "precious clear needed" - everyone e I. The party is lazy and elitist

I wouldn't put in those oversimplified terms, but you said it. Seems more or less correct, even if you are being sarcastic. But that is how it is.

If you don't put in the time and effort to get a good farm team, you don't deserve the the system to magically find you one. Bottom line is there is no magical machine/system can not determine a good player from a bad one. It can't even figure out who the troll is, the GMs have to make the judgement calls. Assessing people and if people fit your group require people to actually interact to figure it out. If you don't want to deal with people, why are you playing an MMO?

And in practical terms when you throw up a PF out there ask to farm, who do you think this really attacts? You want it easy to get farm party to get quick clears, the people that join are those that want quick clears, and they might very well have overinflated belief in their skill and ability. The "clearance condition" will never stop that, because the "clear condition does NOT equal skill, nor does gear level, or anything in game. The skill lies player behind the screen and that cannot be captured by some stat in the system.

Once again, it is not about efficiency, it is about human interactions. Take the time to get to know people, and negotiate how and what you want to do. Be inclusive, bring more people into the game.

[TomTom1968]

Finally got thru to you. Woo hoo. And that is the correct attitude to take for the PF. You can do tryouts and see if they can farm with you. It is a win-win for all members involved.

Now it is pretty obvious to me that you have little to zero experience in forming a party with Strangers for harder content. Have you ever tried out on your own what you are talking about? Ever spend several evenings wiping for what was supposed to be a farm party?

Have you ever formed a Party for Endgame content (Coil and Ex Primals) at all? To me it seems you only know one side of the coin and the rest is theoretical superficial knowledge. If you would have used Party Finder for that, you would know about the problems that come along with groups being on different levels.

And it is definitely NOT a win-win situation as you describe it. In fact, it is a loss for both sides. Things can get nasty really quick if inexperienced players join farm parties wasting their time. I am not the type of guy to do this but I have seen people raging like the End of the World is coming and/or putting players on black lists directly.

And who is to blame for this? According to your opinion, only the experienced players. Because they do not have enough Patience to “try out”. What about the players entering parties with requirements they do not meet? Are they innocent and is it ok to lie and disregard any requirements others have set?

In the past, I was more the guy like “come on let’s give him another chance”. But my experience is almost 100% a bad one. In the end, the party disbands and I can look again for a new one because I gave the weak spots too many chances and the rest of the experienced players had enough and left.

That’s my Reality and not the “we are all a happy, happy family and should do all things together without excluding people”-World you are sketching. All parties have excluding elements. Parties are made with a purpose so it is natural to exclude.

[Aylis]

Not sure if I really ask for too much with it or if it is already seen as "Elitist attitude".

I would say no, its perfectly okay to want to build a party based on the players needs and desires, there's absolutely nothing really "elitist" about doing so. I guess the only difference is the players that act like jerks with their messages that I would label them as such personally.

Anyway I don't raid or use party finder for much of anything but I support your idea, players should be free to form parties and play how they want to play. I'm not a coder but I'm not certain how a check box could work to block a person from just simply joining a party. Maybe it could work upon entering the instance and those without the flag are removed?

Ideally I would rather have SE come up with better bridged content instead of funneling everyone into raiding and praying everyone gets along and works together 100% of the time. I feel a stronger mid tier would be of a better benefit to the players that want to enjoy end tier with others in peace instead of a check box alone.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

BTW you do know teams like the Broncos do camps for kids right, and invite all sort of to play and learn the game. They do provide mentoring and teaching at multiple levels. They do a lot more outreach and try to be positive influence for the community. They do no look to exclude people from playing football.

Yes, but then they exclude people during their Sunday/Monday games by only wanting experienced players. Oh the horror!

None of these people supporting the OP's idea has ever said they run farm parties and never help newbies. They're saying that some days they help newbs, and some days they farm content with experienced players. There's a time for everything.

I agree in that Elitists could stand to be nicer to other people. But we as newbies also have that responsibility to be kind to elitists, even if we don't agree with their choice to not include us in their party.

[Gucci_Charms]

I love new players; I help them out quite a bit. But I do not owe you all of my time in every endeavor, and the moment someone like you starts to expect to be included in everything including farm runs to get you carried, that's the moment you'll stop getting any kind of help from me.

^ This.

NyarukoW's viewpoint:

You are an elitist if you don't help me.
You are an elitist if you don't let me join your party even though it clearly says farm or previous winners only party.
You are an elitist if you use party finder to recruit members to fill-in your static for the instance(s).
You are an elitist if you are "lazy."
You are an elitist if you disagree about my delusional world.
You are an elitist for being proactive in making efforts to learn and down content.
You are an elitist if you do not equate try out parties with farming parties.
You are an elitist if you do not let new players join you for ninja wins/to leech/to be carried.
You are an elitist if you do not want to wipe for several hours with a new player when the original intent was to be a weekly clear or farm party.

P.S. You have yet to farm any coil i90/110 or primal gear. Keep doing your hunt life since that's the only parties that seem to not exclude players such as yourself.

And if you are using an "Alt" char, you are nothing more than troll that has added nothing of value to this thread.