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  1. #191
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    Gucci_Charms's Avatar
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    Miley Cyrus
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Emo Rants.
    A clearance option would not divide the community. A clearance option would simply enable farm or weekly clear parties to group players who have already beaten the specific instance. This enables more likelihood in successful runs to be completed within the allowed time frame. Why should they disrupt their farm quick runs and turn it into a learning party for the one new dude that joined? Makes zero sense.

    If a player that paid for their clear originally joined this farm party, however, it will become apparent based on their performance and they will just end up getting booted from the party and blacklisted. Obviously, there might also be the oddball with a previous clear who just isn't that good in the party. That person will get removed and replaced as well.

    Your emphasis on wait times and taking whatever a farm or clear party can get also amazes me. You make it seem like PF farm or previous clear only parties have wait times that amount to years. It's true that they can take awhile to fill. I think most of the top players, however, can agree that waiting for quality players with previous clears to join greatly outweighs any new player sneaking in to join.

    You're not doing the party or yourself a favor by joining a farm or previous win only party in the hopes of a ninja win. You're just asking to get booted and blacklisted after you waste the group's time wiping and making yourself look bad for leeching or trying to ninja a win lmao. The more you do this, the more your server reputation will go down too, resulting in end-game players not wanting you to join their party.

    Even if they don't add a clearance option, it does not mean the current state will change. Veteran players have zero incentive to help new players. New players need to put in the actual effort to be proactive and take the initiative to learn the difficult instances. Make friends, join new LS or FCs devoted to the new player community. It's seriously not hard. That's how veteran players got where they are today - by learning and making the effort to clear content.
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    Last edited by Gucci_Charms; 10-01-2014 at 07:14 AM.

  2. #192
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    Zumi's Avatar
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 100
    This pretty much is in the game already with people putting myth message = kick in their PF comments, if the message comes up they find out who it is and get someone else.
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  3. #193
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    On the contrary, most people use DF to get the mechanics down and form premade groups to clear the content. It's been that way forever, and probably will continue to be.

    I honestly don't see how adding a checkbox to exclude players can ever be seen as a good idea. If winning is all that matters to you, use Party Finder instead.
    That's what the thread is about. Adding a checkbox to Party Finder. Duty Finder would be unaffected.
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  4. #194
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    Pyretta_Blaze's Avatar
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    Hazel Meade
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    Excalibur
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    Fisher Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    In any case, the PF is meant to bring people together and play together
    No, it's really not. The DF is there to bring people together quickly to attempt clearing content. PF is there to allow you to build a party with your own requirements.

    If I only have a short time to clear T6 then I want to be able to build a party that can clear in that timeframe. Yes, I will probably still take someone without a win if they take the initiative to send me a tell.

    People already have the ability (and right) to remove someone lying about previous clears, this option would just keep people from wasting time finding it out after zoning in.
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  5. #195
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    Nel_Celestine's Avatar
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    Nel Celestine
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    I would just like to say (not that I am looking for myself as I'm not overly interested in raiding right now but I do look and join Light farming parties) I have not seen a single learning party finder for /ANYTHING/ in the last two weeks between 2pm and 11pm EST on Balmung. Not one. However I have seen several (I did not keep count. There were a few but not overly plentiful) PF for "Clear only, Myth Bonus = Disband and reform"
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  6. #196
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    Fendred's Avatar
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I'd rather that they fix combat so that individual skill is more important than perfectly synchronizing with a group. Either that or just put a lockout on them so they can't be farmed. It's a problem going all the way back to 2.1. People get stuck in learning group hell for 30+ attempts. Knuckleheads make idiotic suggestion that they should find a dedicated static team when if that were possible they wouldn't be in learning groups to begin with. Ultimately, a catch 32 forms where anyone who manages to get the clear never wants to go through the experience of learning the fight again, and so they become part of the farming community that isolates itself. It sucks away all talent from the training grounds, thus perpetuating the hellish cycle.
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  7. #197
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    On the contrary, most people use DF to get the mechanics down and form premade groups to clear the content. It's been that way forever, and probably will continue to be.

    I honestly don't see how adding a checkbox to exclude players can ever be seen as a good idea. If winning is all that matters to you, use Party Finder instead.
    Who uses DF to get the mechanics down outside of casual content like 4-man dungeons, HM trials, maybe Garuda Ex, and 24-man raids? People don't learn the more difficult fights through DF except very painfully (assuming that the other players don't rage quit) or very luckily if they stumble upon an unusually skilled and helpful group. Learning via DF isn't even currently an option for the real progression content, anyway, unless you count T5 since it's the prerequisite for SCOB.
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  8. #198
    Player Yoninxi's Avatar
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    Kaiser Yonin
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    Siren
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    Who uses DF to get the mechanics down outside of casual content like 4-man dungeons, HM trials, maybe Garuda Ex, and 24-man raids? People don't learn the more difficult fights through DF except very painfully (assuming that the other players don't rage quit) or very luckily if they stumble upon an unusually skilled and helpful group. Learning via DF isn't even currently an option for the real progression content, anyway, unless you count T5 since it's the prerequisite for SCOB.
    I did actually. I'd watch video , get experience in the Duty Finder , then get my clear in a clear group. Did it for Titan, Ruda, T5 etc.
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  9. #199
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    Kat Fuzzington
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    Archer Lv 73
    Stop thinking that everyone who hasn't cleared some instance is "bad."
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  10. #200
    Player Yoninxi's Avatar
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    Kaiser Yonin
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    Siren
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat_Manx View Post
    Stop thinking that everyone who hasn't cleared some instance is "bad."
    Thats not the issue here. Please read.
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