Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Shougun]

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I understand the purpose of PF, and why it was originally birthed - to help keep accountability (trolling in DF matters little, trolling in your server can have huge repercussions). I am not concerned for the Ninja looters, I am concerned for a healthy mind set for the community at large, this option looks to be one of those options that could greater spur players down a more unwelcoming, unfriendly, undesirable server. Even though the first purpose was not to do that, OP is not demanding a drop in player health, I know this.. lol, he just wants a less stressful way to get players who likely don't suck. I've suggested ways to do that without what -I- think will damage the already unstable structures MMO's social health rely on. We need not help what is already a common issue, throwing logs to the flames no one likes.

Those against this feature keep claiming it is to segregate or promote community divide.

The real issue I am seeing, however, is that new players won't be able to get carried or put the effort to learn the specific instance on their own. That's really what it is coming down to. It is not even about elitism or being a "jerk." It's about not being able to join 7 other players who put in the effort to down the specific content and then leech of their skills to get your ninja win.

^ You are insinuating if not outwardly just saying "people who think the system will promote a division are actually just concerned about getting their easy undeserved win and being a ninja looter". It is inaccurate and insulting. This what I was referring to.

[Gucci_Charms]

You are insinuating if not outwardly just saying "people who think the system will promote a division are actually just concerned about getting their easy undeserved win and being a ninja looter". It is inaccurate and insulting. This what I was referring to.

What other reason does a new player have to join a party posted in PF that is devoted strictly to farming or asking for previous winners only?

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Those elitists are selfish! What about me!

[Shougun]

What other reason does a new player have to join a party posted in PF that is devoted strictly to farming or asking for previous winners only?

People joining a group with no intention of following the group's rules are at their own risk, again GMs can enforce group rules - I'd highly recommend anyone joining a group they're not setup for to ask first. Not only can you get socially ostracized with blacklists but also there is a possibility of a punishment/warning from SE.

A button however will make all of this easier and more popular*, farm parties existing does not bother me - it becoming an incredibly popular, easy, strong option I see as being a danger to social structure, and from certain perspectives also game wise. A bit different scenario, so don't mistake me saying they're "exactly" the same, but in 1.0 I spent 5 hours shouting for 3 people to just lend their bodies for Ifrit (easy easy mode), as content gets old we don't need any more barriers for new people.

Systems I've tried to suggest in this thread try to train players to a higher standard but attempt to keep social hoops as low as possible, they're a bit of a compromise I know.. but if the Maat ARR fight or Echo Training dungeons are not poorly made it would at least get players to a level a veteran could hopefully work with without abundant hair pulling stress (and help new people become veterans with less stress).

*amount of new exclusions and new consistency of pure enforcement is hard to say, but it is easy to assume that easy to do actions that make other actions easier are preferred and thus popular.

[Gucci_Charms]

What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.

Farming party = tryout party? What?

There is nothing efficient about a farming party comprising of 7 fully experienced with multiple wins to take a random new player over someone else who has full experience with multiple wins. The purpose of farming parties is to do multiple runs with limited mistakes, wipes, and within the fastest time. Adding a new player with no prior experience to this group results in opportunity costs.

Seriously, you guys abusing the PF think too highly of yourself. This is the entitlement mentality, you think the rest of the player base is your servants, slaves that should just show up at your beck and call? That is rude and inconsiderate to the utmost.

The people that want a "clearance condition" are being mentally lazy thinking that "cleared" equal skills. Your farm parties will supposedly "cleared people" will still wipe over and over. Then what? Put in the effort to recruit people with skill, and that can only be demonstrated by actually doing the instance.

The one acting entitled is yourself. Stop acting like veteran players owe you anything and must help you.

How about you put in the effort to make your learning party and recruit people to help you learn it? In doing so, you will be able to learn the instance. Don't sneak into farm or previous win parties to snag a win or learn it there. Now that is rude and inconsiderate!

[Magis]

FFXIV doesn't allow much margin of error when doing fights. Adding a healer who keeps dieing means the tank will probably die during a healing check (ie: swarm), adding an inexperienced tank means the boss may point in the wrong way wiping the group, or the tank dies and adds can't be dealt with. Adding inexperienced DPS can cause DPS checks to fail like briar, hornet, or T7 adds. This doesn't even take into account jobs everyone has to do like avoid petrifying everyone, breaking vines, or lining up during Raff's laser attack.

Farming/clear parties are built for one thing only. They gladly take you if you can do the basic strat and perform a clear without dieing. Otherwise you are just ruining what they were started up for. If you need to learn, start a learning party.

[Kerwin]

Clear conditions would be an acceptable setting to party finder in my opinion. To many times I see newbies join a "only if you cleared" party and then lie and expect to get carried. It just removes the hassel and any drama that is involved with removing that person there after. Sure some people would be salty they can't join in the first place but they will just have to learn elsewhere. Via DF or Learning, progression party.

[Gucci_Charms]

Clear conditions would be an acceptable setting to party finder in my opinion. To many times I see newbies join a "only if you cleared" party and then lie and expect to get carried. It just removes the hassel and any drama that is involved with removing that person there after. Sure some people would be salty they can't join in the first place but they will just have to learn elsewhere. Via DF or Learning, progression party.

^This person speaks the truth.

Blah blah blah I like Carries and Ninja Wins blah blah Blah

Your arguments to this thread offer no validity and contribute nothing to date. Common things I have noticed throughout all your troll posts are the following:

You have selective reading.
You have double standards.
You are a hypocrite.
You do not understand what entitlement means.
You do not understand what proactive means.
Your posts imply that a party comprising of 7 people who put in the actual time and effort and that do not want to teach new players like yourself are rude, lazy, and inconsiderate because they won't let you join their farm/previous win party. In reality, however, it is actually the opposite. It is new players like you who are inconsiderate, lazy, and rude when it comes to wasting these parties time.
Your counter arguments go to extremes which make zero sense and add nothing to the current debate such as the usage of mentally disabled or handicap people.
You fail to understand the purpose of Party Finder.
You clearly support leeching and ninja wins.
If veteran players don't help you, they're automatically labelled as the bad guys or elitists.

Lastly, you make zero sense and provide zero effort in thinking about what you post as a response. They are based off emotional rants with little or zero context.

[NyarukoW]

.. in my opinion. ..

^This person speaks the truth.

They said opinion. You can't tell opinion from truth.

The reality is this, and I'll quote myself:

In practical terms, putting up a PF asking for multiple clear and farm is really bait to get people that are lazy like the PF host who didn't bother to do the legwork to organize a static, and they people to lazy to have practice will be baited right into these farm parties and they really do deserve each other. When lazy meets lazy, you get the mess you got. You do NOT need nor deserve a "clear condition button", you got each other.

[Gucci_Charms]

They said opinion. You can't tell opinion from truth.

The reality is this, and I'll quote myself:

You live in a delusional reality and I feel sorry for you. You clearly do not understand the definition of lazy. I guess you must think all veteran players are against you

Thanks for your hilarious post that makes no sense btw, I am going to use it as my Signature now.