Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

... Things can get nasty really quick if inexperienced players join farm parties wasting their time. I am not the type of guy to do this but I have seen people raging like the End of the World is coming and/or putting players on black lists directly.
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What about the players entering parties with requirements they do not meet? Are they innocent and is it ok to lie and disregard any requirements others have set?

I've have seen farm parties fall apart. I've seen the drama you've talked about. The thing is people don't need drama, just simply vote abandon and get someone else. If you are on the PF, you are begging for help. The help comes in many forms and sometimes they are overinflated egos and sometimes they think they are ready or better than they really are. If you look in this thread or any other thread, you'll see that I've never advocated that people lie or deceive. I always tell new people to say they are new. And on the flip side experience players should be more accepting, that is only fair.

Parties are not exclusionary, they are inclusive by nature that is why have multiple players coming together to form parties. I do NOT approve of measures that are directly target at excluding people and creating division in the player base. The reality is that people are not all "“we are all a happy, happy family", but that does not mean we should not try, but it definitely means that tools that exclude people and further divide people should NOT be implemented.

If you want to be able to farm consistently, you need to have tryouts so you can build you static. Then you can farm without worry. You can't expect the system to magically hand you all the good players. The fact of the matter is there not enough people that have gotten that far and are that experienced. You have no trouble asking for brayflox hm farm party now, but nobody cares about that now. The root of the problem is there is just not enough people, yet you seek to divide people more.

The "clearance condition" would get you players that bought their clears that still have no skill or experience and they will wipe the party. And the collateral damage is that it will promote clear sells and funnel people to RMT as well as divide up the community, not to mention terrible PR for SE, because it is basically "no newbies wanted". The harm it will do will far outweigh any benefit that you think you can get. The "quick and easy" is often a trap, just like farm PFs being put up, and it baits the people that wants "quick and easy" and end up with the mess you are in.

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darn it out of posts again.

... It says in the active help "specify YOUR recruitment criteria". ..

The party finder is a match making tool. The criteria is just a flags you set to communicate to the rest of the world/server what you like to get. It is like pick-up basket ball. You want a center, a guard and forward. You are not looking to exclude people, you looking for people to fill those roles. You are reading into the term "criteria" more than there is and interpreting it the way you like. And SE does not let you set a "no newbie wanted", which is a good thing.

... If they leech a kill out of that party, do they automatically become lazy when they join another farm party or create one in your world?

The people throw the farm party up on the PF are being lazy wish for good players to magically show up. And people joining those to leech a kill are being lazy too. Guess what? Lazy deserve lazy, and you get the mess you get. Put up farm tryout parties looking to recruit for static to farm and you will get a very different response. You will have set the correct expectation, people wiping will know why they don't make the cut.
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Translation: I don't want a house or FC room so you don't need one either
Translation: I want to raid and experienced players are obligated to help me now and on my whim.

You deliberately putting word in my mouth that I did not say. Housing content does not exclude from anyone. Join a FC and you get access to housing. If you want a personal room, you can get one, be part of FC. FCs are tools to bringing people together. As for personal house, it is like vanity, you have to earn it. Just like clears to endgame raids. And I never said that experienced player need to get me my clear, much less on my whim ever. I've never advocated the "quick and easy" as the solution to any real problem involving people. My position is that experienced player should not be looking for tools to deliberately exclude newbies.

[Yoninxi]

wat

I gave you a picture of the description of party finder. You twist it to fit your twisted narrative. It says in the active help "specify YOUR recruitment criteria". You twist that again. To fit your narrative. So whats the point of specifying your criteria if according to you, you should not be able to because its exclusionary? Why should party finder even exist in your opinion? Why shouldn't SE just make all content available in the duty finder and disallow preformed parties so that nobody can be excluded?


I'll just leave this question here for you to answer since you magically avoided it yesterday.

So in your world, vets looking for a quick kill are lazy for using the PF for a pick up group, but people without clears and no experience who join those parties are not? If they leech a kill out of that party, do they automatically become lazy when they join another farm party or create one in your world?

[Aylis]

I do NOT approve of measures that are directly target at excluding people and creating division in the player base. The reality is that people are not all "“we are all a happy, happy family", but that does not mean we should not try, but it definitely means that tools that exclude people and further divide people should NOT be implemented.

but...you seemed totally 100% a-okay with those same measures of excluding people and creating divisions in the player base when it came to your thread about housing http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...se...-big-deal or is it you're only okay with excluding people and creating divisions when it comes to content that doesn't interest you?

Translation: I don't want a house or FC room so you don't need one either
Translation: I want to raid and experienced players are obligated to help me now and on my whim.

/boogle

[Gucci_Charms]

Emo Rants Again

You've seen farm parties, yet you have no i90/110 allagan or primal gear. You therefore have no credibility about know what farming entails. Your hunt life for Allied Seals does not count either.

Farming parties do not need to be a static group. They can comprise of 8 pug players who have multiple wins and fully knowledgeable of the specific content. Just because you haven't made any effort to down any end-game content does not mean you equal the majority of players who have not gotten far or have any experience in the particular instance.

Your last rant paragraph amazes me. Even if a player who bought their clear and has no skill/experience, this will become apparent to the specific group once they do the instance. That player will simply be removed and will be replaced with another player that actually knows what they need to do for the fight. LOL about your extreme rant about SE Publicity and player exclusion.

TLDR: Again, you have no i90/110 Allagan or Primal gear. You only have i110 tome gear from your hunt life. Your credibility about farming and doing end-game content is zero. Your distaste for veteran players who put in the actual work and effort to learn content has become immensely apparent. I think it is safe to say you are a troll and can understand why you are excluded from farm or previous win parties. As mentioned previously, you add nothing of value to this thread.

[Aylis]

I think it is safe to say you are a troll and can understand why you are excluded from farm or previous win parties

It's a toss up, if they told the truth in the housing thread then it was admitted this was their first MMO they played. If its true I want to believe its stubborn unknowledge about how MMO's work and the rest of us are real people and not NPC's in a single player game to be at someones beck and call and we all play differently. I want to believe it's just being new to MMO's but I dunno anymore.

The perfect delusional MMO worls where everyone on the server is friends with each other and the entire server goes out together to do things at once before sitting down in a field and sipping hot coco and tasting marshmellows. I guess its fitting though if their only exposure to game play is mass swarm hunt parties. I can't argue the gear though lol as I upgraded my weathered gear too by daily hunts and my weekly with my friends but yeah you get my point, lol

[Yoninxi]

Housing content does not exclude from anyone

Oh but quite the contrary dear. It excludes poor people and the people who couldn't get a house before all the lots were snatched up. But since they're poor, they're probably too lazy to farm Gil. But since they're lazy, according to you, means they're elitist too. Oh dear.

[Aylis]

Oh but quite the contrary dear. It excludes poor people and the people who couldn't get a house before all the lots were snatched up. But since they're poor, they're probably too lazy to farm Gil. But since they're lazy, according to you, means they're elitist too. Oh dear.

which in turn might do...hmm...gee.

And the collateral damage is that it will promote clear sells and funnel people to RMT as well as divide up the community,.

I do wonder how many FC's bought their home as a result of clear selling Titan HM wins and RMT buying, hmmm. Which at least I saw on Balmung did um, kinda divide up the community as a result.

OH! Don't forget it excludes people from gardening and chocobo raising and dyeing and further future functions added to houses. Its okay though because the content doesn't interest them and its a perfect MMO world where they're always at the front of the line and center of attention anyway.

[NyarukoW]

I do wonder how many FC's bought their home as a result of clear selling Titan HM wins and RMT buying, hmmm. Which at least I saw on Balmung did um, kinda divide up the community as a result.

I don't know about you server, but I can say it safe to guess this happening to some degree on all servers. Morever all this already happening without a "clearance condition", so with the check box in place you can expect this to be total windfall for the RMT and great a giant canyon dividing up the player base. Maybe you like things that way.

As for gardening and chocobo raising, we have people in our FC that helps everyone else do that. They help me. You just need to wait your turn, and need to contribute to tending the gardens here and there. You are in not way excluded from any of the housing related stuff. Join a FC and play together and have fun, enjoy the company of other people. Is this really so hard? You might actually get a workable farm party if you asked for players to show up in their golden magitek mounts and know the fight.

If you want a solo personal trophy house you have to earn it, just like you would a bluebird or tonberry or atma/animus/novus/nexus. Personal vanity should be difficult to get at. Nobody should be excluded from parties based on vanity items right? Or you really want the PF to have a checkbox that enforces only people with warlions and bluebirds are allowed to join.

[Yoninxi]

wat

Vanity should be hard to get, but clearing difficult content consistently should be even harder because you have to teach newbies every single run should they chose to join your farm group?

[silentwindfr]

me all i read is raider that simply want to say, look we don't want to play with the rest of the server... we only want to play with other raider for.... instant gratification win. you simply don't want to make static for your farm, you are lazy and just want to pug and stuff.

it's you right to decide who you want to admit in your group, true... however ask for... segregation's tool. because it's this, the word is violent, but it's not different. "we are raider, we are taking time and stuff like this for get out shinies and don't want anybody to mess up with our... pleasure". and you know what i can understand it. however, just a reminder, before be the amazing supah raider of hell.... you was a new player that did probably had hard time to get the fight done.

like said by people before... if you want to have a farm group, make a LS, make a list, get friend! but for the god sake don't ask for tool that will simply add oil on fire.

ps: i want to add something, i know that my word can be look like aggressive, but they are more there for shock and make your realize how much what you ask is dangerous on many way. and before you say something , yep, i haven't farmed the T6-T9, i don't do Extrem (did beat garuda EX), but in all honesty i was soo much disgust by the mentality while the 2.1... that i did simply abandon the end game in this game... so far it's the worst community of mmorpg i have meet. (and believe me i did a lot of mmorpg and hardcore raiding)
people only care for them clean and have no patience nor want to interact with the new player... creating a massive rift between veteran and new player. i know a lot of new player that did abandon some content because of this. not because they are bad player, simply because when they try to create or join a party for get a down, they are not welcomed and often treaten harshly.

maybe it's time for SE to worry about this situation, it's not add Echo that will solve anything, but maybe the way they have handle all this situation soo far is really wrong. like i have said before, if you don't want to play with new player, create a LS special raid farm, is not hard, you simply meet the player that have the same mindset and create it, you can have up to 128 people for get a good playerbase.