Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

Nobody is being lazy or asking for hand holding. People should have the maximum opportunities to learn. Actually exclusive PFs, e.g. asking for farm only, should NOT be allowed. They are wrong and bad for the game and community to be excluding people from participation. If you are putting stuff up on the PF, you should be at the mercy of those kind enough to join you and not the other way around.

Maximum ability to learn isn't met by being carried by 7 other players who actually put the time in to learn the fight for hours. At the mercy of those kind enough to join? LOL. I think you mean the opposite. New players such as yourself are clearly at the mercy of begging previous winning players to actually take the time to teach you the specific instance. Again, another implied "I want to be carried" response. Not surprised though since your previous posts equates not helping new people in this game to handicaps and so forth.

You just want the system to give you teeth to exclude people. I sure hope SE does NOT give it to you. SE should be smart enough to see that the "clearance condition" checkbox should really be called "I am elitist and the unwashed masses of newbies better stay away" button.

I want an efficient system that balances out the needs of veteran and new players. There is nothing elitist about it. By adding a clearance option or filter, it will simply give more incentive to new players to actually be more proactive in learning the fight with other new players. Veteran players can join other previous winners for their weekly clears and farming parties in the most efficient manner. If veteran players want to help you, they will do so by their own will - not by this poor entitlement that new players such as yourself have that demand every previous winning party help them because they must.

[Ellatrix]

You just want the system to give you teeth to exclude people. I sure hope SE does NOT give it to you. SE should be smart enough to see that the "clearance condition" checkbox should really be called "I am elitist and the unwashed masses of newbies better stay away" button.

You have zero coil gear of any kind - either i90 or i110, nor do you have any primal gear. You're exactly the person I want to exclude as you have zero experience and contribute nothing to the success of the party. Best case scenario you contribute nothing and die immediately, worst case you get targeted by some mechanic you don't know how to handle and it wipes the party.

You have no experience in an actual farm party for any content, so you're really doing yourself proud by making arguments about something you have no actual knowledge of.

The purpose of PF is to find other players with the same goal in mind.

[NyarukoW]

... You're exactly the person I want to exclude ...

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways. Gear level, or individual gear pieces does NOT equal skill. You are NOT going find the quick and easy way to discriminate and exclude people. In any case this is not my main account or character, but I'll admit that I am new, not so clueless about your pony/war lion, mirrors, T5 weapon, or whatever other farming runs. Been there done that, but only with my FC people, and we do NOT exclude the new people. If we need 1 more and we're on the PF, we gladly help them as they help us fill out the roster so we can do the run. If we wipe we wipe, if we wipe too many times, we vote abandon. NO BIG DEAL.

[LegendWait]

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways.

Its not about hating new player, its about when I see a ramuh X farm party, I want it to go smoothly and expect everyone to know the conventional way to threat the mechanics.

You try to farm something like that and a new player comes in, pass 60% of the fight on the ground, gets clear, maybe rolls need on an underserved item, then leave party immediatly with his goal acheived. Happened to me way too many times

[Cynfael]

NyarukoW, I think I understand where you're coming from as well as the desire not to be excluded from progression, but here's the thing: no one is excluding you from progressing except for you, clearance checkbox or no.

You don't learn fights by crashing groups aiming for quick completion; you start your own learning party, join someone else's learning party, or recruit FC members or other friends to your effort. No one ever mastered mechanics or had very much fun by lying dead on the floor for the entirety of a fight, which is what happens in extreme primals and Second Coil when you try to run with a veteran party and don't know what's going on.

Rather than worrying about elitism etc., focus on the learning part. You simply cannot PUG end-game content with players who haven't cleared and expect any good result. We've all had to learn at some point.

[Ellatrix]

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways. Gear level, or individual gear pieces does NOT equal skill. You are NOT going find the quick and easy way to discriminate and exclude people. In any case this is not my main account or character, but I'll admit that I am new, not so clueless about your pony/war lion, mirrors, T5 weapon, or whatever other farming runs. Been there done that, but only with my FC people, and we do NOT exclude the new people. If we need 1 more and we're on the PF, we gladly help them as they help us fill out the roster so we can do the run. If we wipe we wipe, if we wipe too many times, we vote abandon. NO BIG DEAL.

I've helped more new people (many random strangers) than you ever will, and carried more people through TitanX outside of merc runs than you can count. I don't hate new players. I hate when people try to sneak into a run that is for not new players. Then they get the boot and blacklist so I don't have to deal with them again.

[NyarukoW]

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You try to farm something like that and a new player comes in, pass 60% of the fight on the ground, gets clear, maybe rolls need on an underserved item, then leave party immediatly with his goal acheived. Happened to me way too many times

Why is a person who bought their clear more deserving of lying on the ground for 60% of the fight and roll need on that same gear? This "clearance condition" will make this happen all the more common. I've seen those people in the farm runs and they an attitude far worse than the newbie/newer players. At least the new people will ask to pointers and learn from observation and practice.

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You don't learn fights by crashing groups aiming for quick completion; you start your own learning party, join someone else's learning party, or recruit FC members or other friends to your effort. ..

I have never tried to sneak a clear, nor have I ever had desire to do so. And I am all for being up front and explaining how much you know. That fact has already been stated in this thread. I object to "clearance condition" button because it divides up the community, promotes clear selling and motivates RMT as a consequence.

.. they get the boot and blacklist so I don't have to deal with them again.

You better start black listing your clients, since you know they haven't got the skill or experience in them, because they always buy their clears.

[Kiara1]

Mog king ex is about 1 hrs queuetime as a healer for me on my server, with this option I guess ppl who's never cleared it never will

[Cynfael]

Mog king ex is about 1 hrs queuetime as a healer for me on my server, with this option I guess ppl who's never cleared it never will

This would be because using DF for fights like that one is extremely likely to be a waste of time. Very few people will have cleared it that way unless they got matched with an otherwise premade team. It doesn't take many players not knowing what to do or just playing badly to make progression impossible for the rest of the group (in this case, even one player performing mechanics incorrectly can make the raid impossible to finish).

This is why people make learning parties until they have the mechanics down. DF is definitely not the answer, and a farm party in PF having a "clear condition" box checked would not be a learning or a first-time clear party, regardless.

[Lemuria]

This is why people make learning parties until they have the mechanics down. DF is definitely not the answer, and a farm party in PF having a "clear condition" box checked would not be a learning or a first-time clear party, regardless.

On the contrary, most people use DF to get the mechanics down and form premade groups to clear the content. It's been that way forever, and probably will continue to be.

I honestly don't see how adding a checkbox to exclude players can ever be seen as a good idea. If winning is all that matters to you, use Party Finder instead.