Dungeons and ANGRY PEOPLE !

[Alipoprocks]

Leveling quick is not the problem. People being mean to other people that is the problem. Slowing down leveling won't help people learn group play any faster, actually it will make slower. And in the process if people were to berate others, they would be doing it there too. People behaving badly needs to be discouraged. The number of experienced player only increases over time and the choice/opportunity to be nice or mean to new player is going to be going to be in the hands of the experienced player 99% of the time, why is it so hard for the experienced player choose to be nice all the time?

I agree that people don't need to be mean. But the OP clearly didn't even know that he had inadequate gear and could use cross-class abilities. This game does a pretty good job pointing players in the right direction. Was just thinking that maybe there could be another way to clue new players about those things.

Plus, if leveling wasn't so quick, new players would have the time to see that they could upgrade/update their characters. It takes no time at all to get from 20 to 40. And at 20, you might be wearing level 16 gear and not even realize it at level 40. I have run into people that had that happen. Got all excited they could do a dungeon before realizing they could use a gear check. IDK. Whatever.

DON'T BE MEAN PEEPS!

[Vaer]

Was just thinking that maybe there could be another way to clue new players about those things.

An easy way is to actually have a working equipment compare for all stats on the tooltip instead of only for WDMG,Delay,AAspeed,DEF/MDEF.

[MirielleLavandre]

As per my other post, I absolutely hate it when vets are mean to new players. However, I will add this caveat that I have learned after one of the 'speed runners' asked me not to kick them during a run // he said that even though I could get into instances or roulettes instantly, he had waited 20 mins to get into one. Out of the 2.5 hours or so this player had to play each night, he spent 20 mins of it in queue and the dungeon looked to end up taking 60 mins or more. He reasoned that he has a very short amount of time to play and, as a main dps, wanted to try to maximize this free time in order to get the most out of it as he could. I sympathize with this, as I often feel the same way if I'm on my bard.

I think it important that we see both sides of the equation. No one has a right to be outright mean and rude to ANYONE, regardless of new or old, while at the same time new players may try to at least try their best to equip themselves or educate themselves, if possible, before joining DF queues so as to not end up the 'weak link'. Not saying they need to Youtube it up, but a lil research goes a long way ^_^v

[Kuroyasha]

I dont have a problem with people being new, but I don't give a pass with being w/ just being non-observant. If it's the first 3 dungeons, then whatever may be new and havent bought accessories or got any type of aetherial drops. But if you almost level 50 and you dont know that accessories give you stats...come on now. At the very least it's a RPG; One should at least look into (via the numerous available ways whether in game or out) what kind of stats are provided for a slot at some point early on in the process so u at least are aware.

I don't rage against people unless im raged against. I dont give people advice much since usually it''s met with something akin to "i know my class (aka shut up)", "dont tell me how to play" etc. So i just enter, do the duty, exit most times. I can joke around, say hello nice to meet you, but i very rarely will stop in the middle of df to attempt a lecture on how to play a class and/or how to take advantage of the systems of FFXIV. Last time i remember trying was on a 45 blm who spammed f3 b3 (>.>) a while ago. That type of lecture is better given by someone on the same server, a friend, a nice fc mate, or a nice random player in shout. I honestly dont have the patience (or dont always care enough) to do that in a random DF, since preferably i would want to see the results of coaching someone on a class/job.

[majorj0nny]

thanks for all the kind words of encouragement from those offering it and being helpful. To those that perfectly demonstrate my point, Im sorry Ive obviously failed miserably at this game .. I should be ashamed of myself and go jump off a cliff so not to effect your levelling skills with my disgusting lack of ringage.

last night I became a Bard, I filled out those jewellery slots and did a few more quests to get a few more higher quality clothing... Once I get a bit more cash Im going to invest in some better jewellery and/or Im going to pay more attention to those items when they come up in dungeons and quests as optional items.

oh and I've started levelling up my lancer too.

[Eye_Gore]

thanks for all the kind words of encouragement in this thread. to those that perfectly demonstrate my point, Im sorry Ive obviously failed miserably at this game .. I should be ashamed of myself and go jump off a cliff so not to effect your levelling skills with my disgusting lack of ringage.

Can I have your stuff before you go off the cliff?

It always amazes how fired up people can get over the game, especially towards new people who are trying but don't know all the ins and outs. But thats the wonderful thing of human nature, the diversity of attitudes, can't please em all. Oh well, I say stick to em, next time go into a dungeon wearing miner gear.

[Fated]

thanks for all the kind words of encouragement from those offering it and being helpful. To those that perfectly demonstrate my point, Im sorry Ive obviously failed miserably at this game .. I should be ashamed of myself and go jump off a cliff so not to effect your levelling skills with my disgusting lack of ringage.

Can I have your stuff?

[Bixby]

last night I became a Bard, I filled out those jewellery slots and did a few more quests to get a few more higher quality clothing... Once I get a bit more cash Im going to invest in some better jewellery and/or Im going to pay more attention to those items when they come up in dungeons and quests as optional items.

Congrats on your bardhood! You'll want to make sure you catch up with all the Bard job quests, too. There's a job quest every five levels (from the same guy in South Shroud) that gives you an important ability, and the ones for levels 45 and 50 give you your Artifact armor, which is very nice until you can start in on the level 50 gear grind.

[majorj0nny]

Congrats on your bardhood! You'll want to make sure you catch up with all the Bard job quests, too. There's a job quest every five levels (from the same guy in South Shroud) that gives you an important ability, and the ones for levels 45 and 50 give you your Artifact armor, which is very nice until you can start in on the level 50 gear grind.

thanks I'll keep an eye out ...

[Ignnis]

thanks for all the kind words of encouragement in this thread. to those that perfectly demonstrate my point, Im sorry Ive obviously failed miserably at this game .. I should be ashamed of myself and go jump off a cliff so not to effect your levelling skills with my disgusting lack of ringage.

Understandable mistakes if it\\'s your first time. I wouldn\\'t let it get you down (and ignore the arguments that detailed the thread). I heard you were on Cerberus, I am too. I don\\'t mind helping in dungeons etc, I can help as a tank, heals or dps. Don\\'t have a bard though so I can\\'t give you much help on that front.

I actually have a "willing to help" in my search info but no one has taken me up on that offer yet ._.

I wouldn\\'t worry about being shouted at, last night I got called a useless OT in ifrit hard so I queued again and showed those eruptions who\\'s boss....but maybe went a little too crazy with the stuns...