What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[Nalien]

There's no need to get upset. People need to learn to get over it.

But they were sitting in Mor Dhona doing nothing when someone told them Safat was up, they deserve full credit!

[Brine_Gildchaff]

This is true... but it's also not fair to assume these people are in hunt linkshells. I'd be willing to bet a lot of people who do stuff like that are newer hunters who aren't used to the frustration of early pulls. Once you've hunted for awhile, you just accept that it happens and move on.

I get that, but considering how wide-sprawling these LS are, it's a bit naive to assume all of them are NOT part of hunt linkshells. Also, consider the OP's situation, they were threatened with widespread blacklisting. That kind of threat seems likely to come from people with the clout to do that, i.e. people in a position to tell their LS "XXX is an early puller, blacklist them and tell all your other hunt LS to blacklist them too". And... frankly, looking at some of the posts from people in here who ARE in hunt LS, I'm not sure I can vouch for the maturity of them. I note for example that both OP and myself have been called liars and accused of being trolls wanting to disrupt the "peaceful" hunt LS from a person whose manner of talking about hunts makes me think we can safely assume is part of at least one.

[Thayos]

I get that, but considering how wide-sprawling these LS are, it's a bit naive to assume all of them are NOT part of hunt linkshells.

I wasn't referring to the OP... I was referring to someone's post just a few posts back.

Just because someone is insensitive toward you doesn't mean that person is from a hunt ls. It's not just hunt linkshells that favor the group-oriented social norms... it's also random people who join or create separate hunt parties. In fact, many hunt linkshells will remove linkshell members who harass people outside the ls.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... it's people on the fringes -- NOT the majority of hunters (and that includes people in and out of hunt linkshells) -- who cause most of the problems.

[NyarukoW]

Perspective is a funny thing. From what you just described, I see people trying to play the game. And a large group of people being, as you said, D-bags, to them.

The funny thing is your perspective is broken. When the whole world looks tilted to you, may be it is you that needs to correct your your perspective. The .exe FC trolls were obvious plain as day. They were playing the game at trolling everyone else, disrupting everyone else's play and being detrimental to everyone else on the server. I don't understand why there are so many devil's (trolls's) advocate defending troll like behavior. It is probably because they are not accepted in game and couldn't get an audience there so they come here to the forums and complain.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I don't understand why there are so many devil's (trolls's) advocate defending troll like behavior. It is probably because they are not accepted in game and couldn't get an audience there so they come here to the forums and complain.

I'm not defending the trolls. I'm defending people wrongly accused of being trolls. For example, the members of .exe who were NOT engaging in trolling behavior or "early pulls" (not that there's any such thing unless the actual finder specifies a specific time) yet who were ostracized and stigmatized to the point of being driven from their server. Or people like the OP here or in the "horrible behavior" thread whose pull was by accident yet were subjected to verbal abuse and shameful treatment by the entirety of the zerg. (And don't try and claim that it was only "the fringe", the other poster I'm referring to shouted for someone to please raise him and not ONE SINGLE PERSON even attempted to do so. That's not "the fringe", that's the entire group attacking that mob deciding to "punish" him.)

The OP excuse of the cat is about as valid a the dog ate the homework. The thread is a troll thread to start with.

(Hit daily limit, so I have to edit here instead.)

I invite you once again to put forth the evidence you clearly have, since you are so confident that both OP and I were lying and trolling when we posted our experiences with the Hunt.

And trolls early pulling do NOT deserve a raise.

I'm not talking about a troll early pulling. I'm talking about someone who was instantly aggroed by the mob spawning directly on top of him.

[NyarukoW]

I'm not defending the trolls. I'm defending people wrongly accused of being trolls. ...

The OP excuse of the cat is about as valid a the dog ate the homework. The thread is a troll thread to start with.

Are there people falsely accused, sure that has happened. Are there accidents, sure that has happened to. Granted foul language is reportable and should be reported, but a few choice words is hardly the end of world. How is that the trolls like to say on these forums: "deal with it" or "get over it". The trolls are here trying to have a pity party in their echo chamber. And all sorts of excuses, hypotheticals, etc. along with the FUD about TOS etc. is all just attempts to defend the troll behavior.

The FC .exe chose to flee the server because the allowed their reputation to be ruined. That is their own doing. No one victimized them, they were victimizing everyone else. I know many of people that were in the FC and abandoned it like rats jumping ship. They joined other FC are still on the same server and still doing hunts with the rest of us just fine. They don't want to grouped with a leadership that did not sanction bad behavior. The trolls are the fringe. And troll behavior certainly have consequences. And trolls early pulling do NOT deserve a raise.

[mbncd]

I still think the game should be played the way it was designed to be played. Yoshi's said numerous times that the zerg was not intended. Maybe they should have predicted it or instigated a fix as soon as it started but even if they didn't, we as players can fix player created problems ourselves. We have the ability to say we're doing something we shouldn't and just not do it anymore.

I think if you're actively hunting, you can get to the monster in less than a minute because you're already in the zone. Anyone who can't be bothered doing the work doesn't deserve the reward and if too many people come it destroys the content completely.

How many people actually fight properly? I think most just do things that generate enmity instead of fighting these boss like monsters as bosses.

All anyone cares about is the rewards. There's more to content than shinies and those who try to play the content as it was designed shouldn't be abused for that.

I personally stopped doing hunts a long time ago because I didn't want to be part of the problem that is the zerg. There's that old saying "be the change you want to see". One less player is a good thing. Does that mean I don't get the shinies? Yes, but so what? I don't do BCoB either so it isn't like I really need them (and those who do do it probably get better stuff there anyway). They'd be nice to have of course, but self respect is nicer.

[Kimikryo]

I dont even know what is considered "early" anymore.

The same people complaining about early pulls, comlaion about mobs not being visible because of to many people :<

See it this way. An LS, Hunting Party finds an A/S rank and decides to let everyone and their dog come to poke it with a stick, be grateful instead of moaning that they did not wait for your entitled little behind.
There are others though, that start pulling just because they want to pull and enjoy the drama that follows.

I had one guy rant that people pull to early, he zoned in SIX MINUTES after it was pulled, 10 Minutes after the first report.
What the hell man?

[blowfin]

Just wanted to say LOL @ Hunt Drama. It's just plain hilarious that this content is still causing people to be knob-ends. Probably safe to say it's an SE design issue now rather than a player issue.

I personally stopped doing hunts a long time ago because I didn't want to be part of the problem that is the zerg. There's that old saying "be the change you want to see". One less player is a good thing. Does that mean I don't get the shinies? Yes, but so what? I don't do BCoB either so it isn't like I really need them (and those who do do it probably get better stuff there anyway). They'd be nice to have of course, but self respect is nicer.

That's just the thing, if you're not doing coil you don't really need the gear. If you are doing coil, you also don't really need the gear! So people getting worked up are just doing so over middle ground content that actually has no real importance.

Which, co-incidentally, is why I think people who troll (like Thaoys is describing) to be doing us a great public service by knocking some of the more feverish Hunt proponents down a peg or three. I mean, I can't be the only one who looks at someone in fully upgraded soldiery and thinks "scrub" can I? Beyond dailies it's still pretty much intolerable on Tonberry, and thus not worth the effort at all, for gear which isn't needed in the first place.

[IndigoHawk]

If you look at people in upgraded soldiery and think "scrub", then you're a scrub, not them.

If you end up in roulette with people in upgraded soldiery, instead think "hey, they're in better gear than they could be, which is good for me". If they're not playing with you, then they don't impact you at all, so supporting the trolls is dumb.