Why can't we have jobs with this level of depth and customization in FFXIV?

[Luvbunny]

Luvbunny, I may have said this before but you were always playing the wrong game with xi (I argued with you on the ffxi forums a few times). FFXI was a certain type of game, and it did what it did well... VERY well. Changing that with abyssea and later on SoA was an affront to people who loved what xi was trying to do in the first place. It was NOT a garbage game it was one of the few mmos that captured the dream mmorpgs were originally chasing.

LOL - hello again to you Well I do not have any "rose colored tinted glass" memory of the grand awesome-sauce that is "old school FFXI". Let me spell it for you in one easy sentence: the reason FFXI community works, because back then everyone and their moms are stuck in a rut in a shitshow that forced you to be nice with each other or you are not progressing at all and solo-ing or "play how you want" aka log and play is an unheard concept. You are stuck in a server with a bunch of people who can't progress AT ALL unless you bite the bullet STFU and play your roles and work together. It's a total gangbuster crap but it works wonderfully in forcing people to work together, thus creating many fond good memories because deep down, we all believe everyone is nice, and we like to do nice things to help each other and share good memories.

Now let's bring back the "Awesome Amazing Ding Ding" that is old school FFXI shall we?:
- You are stuck in party with jobs XYZ, no party, no progress, enjoy your LFP while watching TV for hours unless you are Princess Bard and Red Mage.
- After several hours of waiting and shouting, you now have a party, ragtag combo of whatever jobs, not ideal but hey, you ain't going to complaints after several hours of waiting. So what do you do? You spend as little as 15 mnts to find a camp, or 30 mnts trekking to "dangerous" location where if one member is too dumb to function, you ain't progressing, on the way to the camp.
- OK, so now we are all here, let's have some fun!! Except the area is packed, and mobs are slim picking, competing with other group. Off you go, move to another camp. Add 15-25 minutes of "moving to another area, let's hope y'all have sneak invisible".
- After an hour of playing, your healer is leaving, or your Bard, or your Red Mage. Or god forbid someone leveled up and now the mob is "too low level" for that one person but new camp would be too high-level for most of the members. Crap, back to finding new members.
- Months later, or even a year later, you have one job at 75. Huzzah!! Endgame!!! Yup, start becoming a slave for your "elite" LS members since unless you "perform favors" - you are not going to get that item you so really want, gotta put points, and make sure to help all the "core members" of Linkshell to get their first dip, after all you are just a newbie...
- What's that? You hate grinding? Seriously? Well go play another game, cuz FFXI old school is all about grinding everything till you are too sick to function.
- "Learning Your Job" equates to sit your ass in camping spot chit chat while you do your basic button rotation for months and months. Obviously you will learn something that prepares you to function at endgame, WRONG!!!
- The so called glorious amazing "Chains of Promathia" is nothing but "fetching quest" that last for hours... And you better hope and pray you can make a static, or you have very little hope progressing at all. Start practicing at throwing your control at something and channelling your nerd rage at your cat.
- There is no such thing as "customization" with sub jobs. Deal with it. Please don't entertain your entire party with Pld/Whm, Whm/Pld, Dark/Whm, War/Blm, or any other "creative" ideas - your server will not put up with your silly ideas. You subs XYZ, end of story.
- You better love WAITING, because everything takes a long time for no other purpose than adding more time sink. Yup, making you do idiotic nonsensical stuffs for no other than "extending gameplay" and make you feel you achieve something by waiting 10 minutes to ride a boat.

[Morningstar1337]

It's a total gangbuster crap but it works wonderfully in forcing people to work together, thus creating many fond good memories because deep down, we all believe everyone is nice, and we like to do nice things to help each other and share good memories.

So you;re implying hat XI is idealistic and XIV is cynical?

[Luvbunny]

So you;re implying hat XI is idealistic and XIV is cynical?

FFXI is realistic, you must play nice with each other if you want to advance in the game. Be civil, learn how to socialize, and try to be Popular, because just like in real life, the popular kids in high school gets everything while all the emo-nerds get shoved in the corner because they want to be that special snowflakes and do what they want and how they want, so everyone else just have to deal with it.

At least here in FF14, most of the contents are tuned so that everyone can have a good chance at clearing it. Everything is done in a speedy manner, log in, wait a few minutes, play a few things, log out. Easy in, easy out. Granted the game is only a year out and not perfect but it has potential. The only downside is the lack of server community aspect because you "don't really need others" to advance in the game and not as dependent to other people's help. Still, FF14 is fun to play together with friends or new friends alike, and showing off things to people still bring that warm and fuzzy feelings to your heart.

[reality_check]

Now let's bring back the "Awesome Amazing Ding Ding" that is old school FFXI shall we?:

How about I post this video from 2006 I found on my old computer to show people how dreadfully boring the combat system was.

http://youtu.be/qWrvaVgX69s

Take off the rose tinted goggles please everyone.

[HeroSamson]

How about I post this video from 2006 I found on my old computer to show people how dreadfully boring the combat system was.

http://youtu.be/qWrvaVgX69s

Take off the rose tinted goggles please everyone.

hey I actually like FFXI to rag it, the game is good pre abyss before they went 99.

If SE dropped xbox 360 and ps2 support and moved it to ps4 and upgraded the graphics kept the open world changed battle mechanics but macros the same way and gave us a new story FFXI would be the boss.

FFXI reborn lol

[Alukah]

How about I post this video from 2006 I found on my old computer to show people how dreadfully boring the combat system was.

http://youtu.be/qWrvaVgX69s

Take off the rose tinted goggles please everyone.

Ewww did people really play that for hours long?

[reality_check]

Ewww did people really play that for hours long?

I didn't include the part where it took 2 hours (no exaggeration) of JUST running around to gain 1-time access to this fight.

[Seiryuukishi]

How about I post this video from 2006 I found on my old computer to show people how dreadfully boring the combat system was.

http://youtu.be/qWrvaVgX69s

Take off the rose tinted goggles please everyone.

OMG not no but hell no. I would shoot myself. There's a huge difference between long, fun fights with people and "why am I still here?" fights.

[saeedaisspecial]

How about I post this video from 2006 I found on my old computer to show people how dreadfully boring the combat system was.

http://youtu.be/qWrvaVgX69s

Take off the rose tinted goggles please everyone.

That sure does work if the only thing people loved about XI was its combat.
But that isn't true at all.