Why can't we have jobs with this level of depth and customization in FFXIV?

**Redemption** · 09-06-2014 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Well to be fair, FFXI does have a few good battle systems, namely Voidwatch, which is FAR more superior that this absolute mess of The Hunt from FF14. I see no reasons why Yoshi cannot "steal" as many great stuffs from FF11 and implement it here with some tweakings. Lord knows, FF11 is copying a boatload of FF14's features in their game now, which is a welcome change. The old FFXI is trash, absolute garbage of a game, so glad it is no longer exist. The "new" FFXI did amazing job, Seeker of Adoulin was a hot mess when it launched, but the new team did fantastic job in the past one year alone and changed FFXI for the better. So many great features added to make FFXI far more enjoyable and accessible, and yet still obliterate all noobies who try to brute force tank and spank SoA endgame contents.

The new team is hard at work to balance other support jobs but I understand it takes time to untangle the absolute mess of spaghetti code and crappy ideas from "old school FFXI". They added so many new features to Red Mage, Corsair and Geomancer - though they need to work harder on this to replace people's opinion "we cannot win if we don't have Bard in our group" mentality. Give it another year and I would think FFXI will be completely modernized up to par to FF14. The amount of contents they add every month is very good for a game that is 11 years old. Jobs balance still a big issue there - I realize it is not easy to balance over 20 jobs.

Luvbunny, I may have said this before but you were always playing the wrong game with xi (I argued with you on the ffxi forums a few times). FFXI was a certain type of game, and it did what it did well... VERY well. Changing that with abyssea and later on SoA was an affront to people who loved what xi was trying to do in the first place. It was NOT a garbage game it was one of the few mmos that captured the dream mmorpgs were originally chasing. I have to accept that same factor about ffxiv, that it was designed with a different purpose in mind and you should have been accepting of that in ffxi (I have no idea why you stuck around it when you hated its core designs). I accept that ffxiv has a different goal from what ffxi had, but I think there is room to add some things that would appeal to people like me while still keeping that goal at heart. Stop insulting mah game >.>

**Luvbunny** · 09-06-2014 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Redemption

Luvbunny, I may have said this before but you were always playing the wrong game with xi (I argued with you on the ffxi forums a few times). FFXI was a certain type of game, and it did what it did well... VERY well. Changing that with abyssea and later on SoA was an affront to people who loved what xi was trying to do in the first place. It was NOT a garbage game it was one of the few mmos that captured the dream mmorpgs were originally chasing.

LOL - hello again to you

Well I do not have any "rose colored tinted glass" memory of the grand awesome-sauce that is "old school FFXI". Let me spell it for you in one easy sentence: the reason FFXI community works, because back then everyone and their moms are stuck in a rut in a shitshow that forced you to be nice with each other or you are not progressing at all and solo-ing or "play how you want" aka log and play is an unheard concept. You are stuck in a server with a bunch of people who can't progress AT ALL unless you bite the bullet STFU and play your roles and work together. It's a total gangbuster crap but it works wonderfully in forcing people to work together, thus creating many fond good memories because deep down, we all believe everyone is nice, and we like to do nice things to help each other and share good memories.

Now let's bring back the "Awesome Amazing Ding Ding" that is old school FFXI shall we?:
- You are stuck in party with jobs XYZ, no party, no progress, enjoy your LFP while watching TV for hours unless you are Princess Bard and Red Mage.
- After several hours of waiting and shouting, you now have a party, ragtag combo of whatever jobs, not ideal but hey, you ain't going to complaints after several hours of waiting. So what do you do? You spend as little as 15 mnts to find a camp, or 30 mnts trekking to "dangerous" location where if one member is too dumb to function, you ain't progressing, on the way to the camp.
- OK, so now we are all here, let's have some fun!! Except the area is packed, and mobs are slim picking, competing with other group. Off you go, move to another camp. Add 15-25 minutes of "moving to another area, let's hope y'all have sneak invisible".
- After an hour of playing, your healer is leaving, or your Bard, or your Red Mage. Or god forbid someone leveled up and now the mob is "too low level" for that one person but new camp would be too high-level for most of the members. Crap, back to finding new members.
- Months later, or even a year later, you have one job at 75. Huzzah!! Endgame!!! Yup, start becoming a slave for your "elite" LS members since unless you "perform favors" - you are not going to get that item you so really want, gotta put points, and make sure to help all the "core members" of Linkshell to get their first dip, after all you are just a newbie...
- What's that? You hate grinding? Seriously? Well go play another game, cuz FFXI old school is all about grinding everything till you are too sick to function.
- "Learning Your Job" equates to sit your ass in camping spot chit chat while you do your basic button rotation for months and months. Obviously you will learn something that prepares you to function at endgame, WRONG!!!
- The so called glorious amazing "Chains of Promathia" is nothing but "fetching quest" that last for hours... And you better hope and pray you can make a static, or you have very little hope progressing at all. Start practicing at throwing your control at something and channelling your nerd rage at your cat.
- There is no such thing as "customization" with sub jobs. Deal with it. Please don't entertain your entire party with Pld/Whm, Whm/Pld, Dark/Whm, War/Blm, or any other "creative" ideas - your server will not put up with your silly ideas. You subs XYZ, end of story.
- You better love WAITING, because everything takes a long time for no other purpose than adding more time sink. Yup, making you do idiotic nonsensical stuffs for no other than "extending gameplay" and make you feel you achieve something by waiting 10 minutes to ride a boat.

**Morningstar1337** · 09-06-2014 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Luvbunny

It's a total gangbuster crap but it works wonderfully in forcing people to work together, thus creating many fond good memories because deep down, we all believe everyone is nice, and we like to do nice things to help each other and share good memories.

So you;re implying hat XI is idealistic and XIV is cynical?

**Luvbunny** · 09-06-2014 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

So you;re implying hat XI is idealistic and XIV is cynical?

FFXI is realistic, you must play nice with each other if you want to advance in the game. Be civil, learn how to socialize, and try to be Popular, because just like in real life, the popular kids in high school gets everything while all the emo-nerds get shoved in the corner because they want to be that special snowflakes and do what they want and how they want, so everyone else just have to deal with it.

At least here in FF14, most of the contents are tuned so that everyone can have a good chance at clearing it. Everything is done in a speedy manner, log in, wait a few minutes, play a few things, log out. Easy in, easy out. Granted the game is only a year out and not perfect but it has potential. The only downside is the lack of server community aspect because you "don't really need others" to advance in the game and not as dependent to other people's help. Still, FF14 is fun to play together with friends or new friends alike, and showing off things to people still bring that warm and fuzzy feelings to your heart.

**reality_check** · 09-06-2014 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Luvbunny

Now let's bring back the "Awesome Amazing Ding Ding" that is old school FFXI shall we?: