Why can't we have jobs with this level of depth and customization in FFXIV?

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So.
Some jobs in XI were playable by "mouth breathers".
Others weren't.

What's wrong with a similar style here where we get a job that actually involves a decision making process? Heaven forbid someone actually has to think, if it isn't available to 100% of the population it shouldn't be added!
Better remove Coil, Extremes, and anything else a "mouth breather" can't do while we're at it.

You missed my point, I am agreeing with you that the game should have jobs that are hard to master. I am just saying it's not likely to happen since Yoshi himself has provided his thoughts as to why we can't have complex jobs.

No dude, you're the one cherry picking when you choose to talk about one of the two (out of 20 at the time I played) "complex" jobs that existed in XI. Even worse, not only was Puppetmaster not really that complex (having a long list of abilities/spells is meaningless when only a select few are used), "mouth-breethers" as you call them could play the job easily anyway, more so when it was never used in any serious content.

Much of the parroted "complexity" and "diversity" of FFXI was nothing more than bloat.

Go find my post where I say ff11 was complex. Please, go find it and I will stop posting in this thread. All I said was that if we saw Pup in this game that it would lack the depth it had in ff11.

You're the one picking random examples from ff11 and saying "see, this was not complex." I am talking about Pup. You're arguing about a point I never made. I never said ff11 was majorly complex or that is was super simple.

Please go on though,

Much of the parroted "complexity" and "diversity" of FFXI was nothing more than bloat.

It's like you made a straw man and now you are fighting with it or something? It's hilarious
I will just reiterate my statement again, I was never talking about ff11 as a whole. Please go back and take your time reading my posts.

If FFXIV:ARR is doomed to have only "mouth breathers" play this game, why do you even play?

You always have some kind of FFXIV hate filled messages, when anyone brings up suggestions to better this game, in any light towards the actual game.

If you're so miserable, then why play a game you so clearly don't want to see succeed? I think FFXIV:ARR has great potential to be a great game for years to come, which is why I play it daily and support it. Really don't get the mentality that I'm gonna play and torture myself on a game I hate... for "X" reasons.

I could very well see PUP making it's way to FFXIV:ARR, just not until after the expansion though.

If you read stuff that I post, then you would already know the answer to your question. I play because of the friends I have made. I would not sub to this game if it was not for my FC and my static. I told them I am waiting until the expansion to see how things play out.

I also want the game to succeed as much as you do. I just don't like feeling like the dev team does not care about raiders. Yoshi and the dev team have made their goals clear several times and while other games are making moves to incentive raiding, this game does nothing of that sort. So, we will see what happens come the expansion.