Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
but its not beside the point, its the point exactly.
neither of those battles look any good at all to me. they look just as i described battling under water and only better than every MMO because its a console game with attention payed specifically to those battles. even if they did pay that much attention to under water battles, theyd still be rediculously unrealistic just as youve shown.
i get casting magic and using crystals to craft isnt very realistic, but doing all of that under water is even more unrealistic. its always seemed like a step just too far.

water creates massive resistance against your body. it causes you to fatigue greatly and it extinguishes heat. its just so far out there to me. even if you could cast fire magic and swing a thousand pound blade in water, shouldnt there SOME type of explanation for doing any of that?

jumping gets me on top of and around things. swimming doesnt do anything at all for me.

oh one more thing i never understood about under water battles - the battle cries or "HYA!!"s and things like that. where are the bubbles? arent you losing breath? how can you even make that noise when your fighting under water?
UGH IT BOGGLES MY BRAIN...
I agree with this statement to an extent, which is why I brought up the idea of devices that create oxygen bubbles or whatever. In order to traverse underground, you should require certain types of gear to actually make it effective. Some kind of rudimentary scuba gear, a simple snorkel-like thing, air pockets in caves, whatever.

There's a limit to how much a person can realistically suspend their sense of disbelief, regardless of whether or not you're playing a fantasy game. There has to be SOME level of reality in there, or else you can't relate and thus immerse yourself.