Swimming and underwater content?

[Nikita]

Everyone is going to find something in this game to bitch and moan about, everyone, be it things that are already in the game or things that are in the works. If they listened to every single complaint they get we wouldn't even have a damn game. xD

And I thought those battles looked good, earlier when someone mentioned going AFK underwater for a long time, I was reminded of FFX where you dove underwater to explore that ancient tech stuff around the beginning of the game, and those ruins (and your character didn't die if you stepped away lol).

Edit: and to become immersed in any fantasy game, it requires just a little suspension of disbelief, just saying.

[Dreadnought]

i'm not into water content much, even though i'm looking forward to gw2 it's not for the water content in it. i didn't like it in wow. i think my dislike of water in video games is routed back when i was little, playing mario brothers, 2.1 board i believe it was, ....dun dun dun water. was one of the only levels in that game that no matter how many times u beat the game always took the same amount of time unlike the rest of the levels lol.

but yeah i prefer no water in my mmo's to swim in at all, now boats to fully control on top like some of the older ff series ..yeck yes.

yes, thank you.

[Arcell]

Well Monster Hunter has its own set of rules in its own universe. I agree it doesn't make sense but it makes for some really fun gameplay. You actually do have to surface for air occasionally but you can swim for unnaturally long periods of time underwater.

Final Fantasy X though I never questioned. Sure it was never explained but they presented it in such a way that I never needed an explanation. People can swim really fast and breathe underwater in Spira, why not? I guess sometimes the more attention a game brings to something and the more it tries to explain the more plausible the explanation needs to be. If it's just an accepted law of that particular world and everyone treats it as such then little attention is even brought to it. It's a fantasy world, they do it because they can lol.

Final Fantasy XIV is a world filled with magic that has little explanation. Spell casting is often given little explanation in the game as it's just an accepted thing you can do. Being able to "die" and be resurrected at a big floating crystal is the same. While you're at it why don't you add surviving being stomped on by a giant buffalo to the list? All things that we simply accept because that's just how they are in the world. Being able to breath underwater be it through spell, gear or just because is just another one of those things.

[Nikita]

And I just want to ask, if being able to fight and breathe underwater, and *gasp* go AFK without dying is an immersion killer, why are you guys even playing a member of the Final Fantasy series?

http://youtu.be/hTc9sLmOR0A

Does that just make your head explode?

If you don't reply, I'll take that as a yes.

[Malakhim]

And I just want to ask, if being able to fight and breathe underwater, and *gasp* go AFK without dying is an immersion killer, why are you guys even playing a member of the Final Fantasy series?

http://youtu.be/hTc9sLmOR0A

Does that just make your head explode?

If you don't reply, I'll take that as a yes.

See the second point of my previous post.

Also, while you and Arcell are right about crazy shit going on, the problem with your example is that we're talking about pre-existing characters working within the physics and bounds of reality within their specific worlds. It doesn't have to make sense, because I'm not Cloud or Sephiroth or Vincent.

However in an MMO, it's slightly different, in that your avatar is(ostensibly) you and my avatar is me. I can't jump around all crazy like your typical Final Fantasy character. If I'm underwater, my armor isn't going to allow me to magically float as if it didn't weigh 40 lbs.(unless it can), etc. Obviously liberties can be taken BECAUSE it's a fantasy game and we just chalk it up to being badass looking, but I do believe there IS a limit before we just laugh and say "man, this looks dumb as shit."

[Nikita]

underwater gear allowing you to perform closely or equal to on land would work wonderfully and add immersion i do believe.

i thought about this but am dissapointed that no RPG (that i have come across) has made this step. for some reason only espionage games get it.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=10506/deepdive-helmet

In WoW, there are items and equipment that enhance your underwater abilities, there are even underwater mounts. Basically you want it more WoW-like. :P

See the second point of my previous post.

Also, while you and Arcell are right about crazy shit going on, the problem with your example is that we're talking about pre-existing characters working within the physics and bounds of reality within their specific worlds. It doesn't have to make sense, because I'm not Cloud or Sephiroth or Vincent.

However in an MMO, it's slightly different, in that your avatar is(ostensibly) you and my avatar is me. I can't jump around all crazy like your typical Final Fantasy character. If I'm underwater, my armor isn't going to allow me to magically float as if it didn't weigh 40 lbs.(unless it can), etc. Obviously liberties can be taken BECAUSE it's a fantasy game and we just chalk it up to being badass looking, but I do believe there IS a limit before we just laugh and say "man, this looks dumb as shit."

I really don't see how allowing a character to swim underwater is so.... radical to you. Making my character equip snorkels or scuba diving gear seems like more of a step away from Final Fantasy to me. I'm not saying there should be none, but I am saying you should have some faith in SE, because I am sure they can implement swimming and underwater content in a way that most (not all, because no matter what someone is going to cry and bitch and moan) people can enjoy.

I remember Nyzul Undersea Ruins and I remember looking out the giant glass windows, wishing I could be outside looking in, so I could see what they actually looked like. I want something like that in FFXIV, I think it would be awesome to swim down and see some massive ancient ruins or some giant creature.

[Malakhim]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=10506/deepdive-helmet

In WoW, there are items and equipment that enhance your underwater abilities, there are even underwater mounts. Basically you want it more WoW-like. :P



I really don't see how allowing a character to swim underwater is so.... radical to you. Making my character equip snorkels or scuba diving gear seems like more of a step away from Final Fantasy to me. I'm not saying there should be none, but I am saying you should have some faith in SE, because I am sure they can implement swimming and underwater content in a way that most (not all, because no matter what someone is going to cry and bitch and moan) people can enjoy.

I remember Nyzul Undersea Ruins and I remember looking out the giant glass windows, wishing I could be outside looking in, so I could see what they actually looked like. I want something like that in FFXIV, I think it would be awesome to swim down and see some massive ancient ruins or some giant creature.

I didn't say I was against swimming, hell I'm all about it. I'm just against things looking too crazy. Of course, like Arcell pointed out, a world is governed by its lore, so I guess it all depends on how they make it.

[Malakhim]

I'm pretty sure the new outfits for the summer fest are all part of Yoshida's master plan to bring swimming into the game.

[Leeloo]

Gotta get to the Veldt, recruit Gau, and find his shiny...

[Nikita]

Also, not directly but partially related to underwater content... >_> I hope they add some areas like Purgonorgo Isle!