Swimming and underwater content?

[Dreadnought]

i think its hilarious how almost no one is against swimming as if underwater battles dont look rediculous... yet everyone and their mom argues against jumping because of how rediculous it looks.

i guess its that jumping can be done anywhere therefore has a chance to be in your face as to where swimming can only be done... in water - over there --->

oh well, maybe i can avoid underwater quests in this game unlike other MMOs.

[Arcell]

i think its hilarious how almost no one is against swimming as if underwater battles dont look rediculous... yet everyone and their mom argues against jumping because of how rediculous it looks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcolj...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FY6smddkY

Games with good underwater combat, from a turn-based game and an action game. Doesn't really look ridiculous at all, except from fire weapons working underwater in MH Tri but that's beside the point. It can work well if they did it properly.

[Dreadnought]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcolj...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21FY6smddkY

Games with good underwater combat, from a turn-based game and an action game. Doesn't really look ridiculous at all, except from fire weapons working underwater in MH Tri but that's beside the point. It can work well if they did it properly.

but its not beside the point, its the point exactly.
neither of those battles look any good at all to me. they look just as i described battling under water and only better than every MMO because its a console game with attention payed specifically to those battles. even if they did pay that much attention to under water battles, theyd still be rediculously unrealistic just as youve shown.
i get casting magic and using crystals to craft isnt very realistic, but doing all of that under water is even more unrealistic. its always seemed like a step just too far.

water creates massive resistance against your body. it causes you to fatigue greatly and it extinguishes heat. its just so far out there to me. even if you could cast fire magic and swing a thousand pound blade in water, shouldnt there SOME type of explanation for doing any of that?

jumping gets me on top of and around things. swimming doesnt do anything at all for me.

oh one more thing i never understood about under water battles - the battle cries or "HYA!!"s and things like that. where are the bubbles? arent you losing breath? how can you even make that noise when your fighting under water?
UGH IT BOGGLES MY BRAIN...

[Malakhim]

but its not beside the point, its the point exactly.
neither of those battles look any good at all to me. they look just as i described battling under water and only better than every MMO because its a console game with attention payed specifically to those battles. even if they did pay that much attention to under water battles, theyd still be rediculously unrealistic just as youve shown.
i get casting magic and using crystals to craft isnt very realistic, but doing all of that under water is even more unrealistic. its always seemed like a step just too far.

water creates massive resistance against your body. it causes you to fatigue greatly and it extinguishes heat. its just so far out there to me. even if you could cast fire magic and swing a thousand pound blade in water, shouldnt there SOME type of explanation for doing any of that?

jumping gets me on top of and around things. swimming doesnt do anything at all for me.

oh one more thing i never understood about under water battles - the battle cries or "HYA!!"s and things like that. where are the bubbles? arent you losing breath? how can you even make that noise when your fighting under water?
UGH IT BOGGLES MY BRAIN...

I agree with this statement to an extent, which is why I brought up the idea of devices that create oxygen bubbles or whatever. In order to traverse underground, you should require certain types of gear to actually make it effective. Some kind of rudimentary scuba gear, a simple snorkel-like thing, air pockets in caves, whatever.

There's a limit to how much a person can realistically suspend their sense of disbelief, regardless of whether or not you're playing a fantasy game. There has to be SOME level of reality in there, or else you can't relate and thus immerse yourself.

[Dreadnought]

I agree with this statement to an extent, which is why I brought up the idea of devices that create oxygen bubbles or whatever. In order to traverse underground, you should require certain types of gear to actually make it effective. Some kind of rudimentary scuba gear, a simple snorkel-like thing, air pockets in caves, whatever.

There's a limit to how much a person can realistically suspend their sense of disbelief, regardless of whether or not you're playing a fantasy game. There has to be SOME level of reality in there, or else you can't relate and thus immerse yourself.

underwater gear allowing you to perform closely or equal to on land would work wonderfully and add immersion i do believe.

i thought about this but am dissapointed that no RPG (that i have come across) has made this step. for some reason only espionage games get it.