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    LionKing's Avatar
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    Kaane Moka
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Both War and Pal are great at holding aggro while Warrior does have an edge over Pal for AOE aggro tanking thanks to TP cost-free Steel Cyclone. However, if not being handled properly, War will run out of TP much quicker compared to Paladin. Though, in the hand of a skilled player, though both can show their full potential.

    I have a story I would like to have everyone comments. Yesterday, I ran a duty roulette and ended up in Stone Vigil HM with the party setup as I, Warrior Ilv84 with Dual Hakken as weapon, full i90 armour pieces with Amber accessory for SB purpose, with the HP of 7840, 2 MNK ilv95+ as DPS and 1 WHM ILv 95+ as well. I did not do the SR, at most I only tanked 2 waves at a time (4-5 mobs at the same time). Our DPS did great in their role. However, I had been told off that I did not give him/her enough time to regain MP and that I was squishy, so she/he had to heal me much more than usual, given I never lost aggro once myself and pop all CD as soon as my instinct told me I should. The WHM used Cure 2 to heal me the whole run. And before each pull, I made sure she/he had at least 2k MP to heal me because I also had a WHM, also heal others and I could estimated how much mana you would need at this ilv gear, this Duns to heal through the pull. I told him, you should never run out of mana in the first place given how well perform the others were at doing their jobs. And the reason he told me that I was squishy because of his main was a Paladin..So was I a bad tank or the healer just.... bad at his/her role in terms of mana management????
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    Ashkendor's Avatar
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    The WHM used Cure 2 to heal me the whole run.
    That sticks out to me. WHM can't just spam Cure 2 nonstop. I abuse the hell out of Freecure all I can.

    And the reason he told me that I was squishy because of his main was a Paladin..So was I a bad tank or the healer just.... bad at his/her role in terms of mana management????
    Uh. News flash for that guy, no duh warriors are a little squishy compared to paladins. Shield Oath is a permanent 20% damage reduction, and paladins have a lot of defensive cooldowns to utilize. He might have just been unhappy that you were sb'ing level 49 accessories in an expert dungeon.
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    Silvach Dakwhil
    World
    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    Quite important stuff - scroll up!
    I don't want to justify a WHM who spams Cure II - this is obviously a mistake. However, I got few questions for you - did you chain the blind on the pulls (12,6,3 seconds). Did you stun 2-3 mobs for 6 seconds of not getting any damage (it's quite simple). Did you Stone Skinned yourself when enmity was maintained on level high enough to not to lose it?

    As PLD you get 3 main things to reduce the incomming damage from the pulls. One is chain blind the pulls (it's 21 seconds of blind). Then you just stun 2-3 times on different creeps (to get some time for healer to keep his guts) and finally when your aggro is solid you can cast Stone Skin few times just to reduce the need of being healed. You can also run through the caster type of trahs mobs when they cast their spells, that will make them cancel the cast.

    It's not criticism, just few questions and few good points.


    You were a Warrior. My bad.
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    Last edited by silvach; 07-29-2014 at 05:08 PM.

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    saeedaisspecial's Avatar
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    Kool Kat
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    Both War and Pal are great at holding aggro while Warrior does have an edge over Pal for AOE aggro tanking thanks to TP cost-free Steel Cyclone. However, if not being handled properly, War will run out of TP much quicker compared to Paladin. Though, in the hand of a skilled player, though both can show their full potential.

    I have a story I would like to have everyone comments. Yesterday, I ran a duty roulette and ended up in Stone Vigil HM with the party setup as I, Warrior Ilv84 with Dual Hakken as weapon, full i90 armour pieces with Amber accessory for SB purpose, with the HP of 7840, 2 MNK ilv95+ as DPS and 1 WHM ILv 95+ as well. I did not do the SR, at most I only tanked 2 waves at a time (4-5 mobs at the same time). Our DPS did great in their role. However, I had been told off that I did not give him/her enough time to regain MP and that I was squishy, so she/he had to heal me much more than usual, given I never lost aggro once myself and pop all CD as soon as my instinct told me I should. The WHM used Cure 2 to heal me the whole run. And before each pull, I made sure she/he had at least 2k MP to heal me because I also had a WHM, also heal others and I could estimated how much mana you would need at this ilv gear, this Duns to heal through the pull. I told him, you should never run out of mana in the first place given how well perform the others were at doing their jobs. And the reason he told me that I was squishy because of his main was a Paladin..So was I a bad tank or the healer just.... bad at his/her role in terms of mana management????
    Think I found the problem.
    As someone else said, you're SBing in inferior gear in an expert dungeon and overpulling while doing so.
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