Tank disrespect.

[Yoninxi]

If i get disrespected while i'm tanking, no one lives! They must learn, don't bite the hand that prevents the monsters from biting you!

[Warrlordd]

ill never understand the mentality of not watching vids or learning a class.

They tell new players and first timers the same crap that the others will. Except vids are nice about it.

[Llyren]

ill never understand the mentality of not watching vids or learning a class.

They tell new players and first timers the same crap that the others will. Except vids are nice about it.

Have you never done a first run of content that you and your friends have not seen before without using a guide?

There is fun in being among the first to run the content, "no spoiler" runs extend the shelf life of this fun. Sadly not everyone can run content with their friends and must run content with puggles for their first time, if they want to see it at all.

Most people are fine to run and communicate with in game.

[Ashkendor]

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Nah. I don't believe in pampering people. I do believe in giving them some helpful tips if they are obviously having difficulty, though. I'm not going to get mad at a newbie in a low level dungeon for not quite having a handle on how his class works. He's a newbie. By definition, he is new to his role. The first few dungeons are simple because they're learning experiences. I'm sure I was terrible in my first dungeon despite having an understanding of basically what a tank does and having read through my skill descriptions.

People that respond to my helpfulness with "Don't tell me how to play my class!!!" can get bent, though. Always funny when the tank tells me "You're a scholar, what do you know about tanking?!" when my main is PLD.

ill never understand the mentality of not watching vids or learning a class.

They tell new players and first timers the same crap that the others will. Except vids are nice about it.

Honestly, some people don't get much out of guides and videos. I know I learn better by hands-on experience.

[DuelingPokemon]

Honestly, some people don't get much out of guides and videos. I know I learn better by hands-on experience.

Pretty much this in my case. I can watch videos until I'm blue in the face but some of us learn better rushing in swords swinging and axes blazing.

Besides, I find that respect generally works both ways.
I respect my group, they respect me. They might not LIKE what I do as a tank but as long as there's no reason for the blame game to start, dungeons usually go smoothly.

[dramamine]

Kind of a minor rant about tanks that refuse to adapt to their parties abilities/learn any new strategies/whatever...

I don't get people who don't know how to take criticism and/or don't have at least a basic understanding of the mechanics of other classes. My first love is the Paladin, but since the group I play with most is an FC of a handful of mostly casual players (friends from work, friends of friends, etc.), I learn most of the content through guides and DFs. I've always been open to criticism/suggestions when they are productive, and generally avoid playing the blame game when a party lacks the DPS or heals even when they start blaming the tanks for everything.

Occasionally I'll wind up in a PUG with a level 50 paladin/warrior when I'm in a LL DF with another class, and they'll be doing something stupid like pulling with shield lob followed by provoke, or they won't use enough flash/OP in a dungeon to keep hate, won't cycle their combos, and won't mark targets, but then blame DDs for getting hate just because the DD had the audacity to assume that the warrior was going to maintain emnity on the first target they pulled.

I figured that kind of thing would go away when I got to level 50 dungeons, but I wound up doing AK as a i60ish WHM to work towards my relic after not playing the class for a month or so. I was super rusty, and was having trouble keeping up. The guy kept doing these huge pulls without giving me any time to regain MP between them, we wiped twice on trash pulls, and when I suggested that maybe we should slow down, he said something to the effect of "I haven't had to do small pulls on AK in months, you must be new to the game." and then kept doing the same thing he was doing. The first wipe was my fault, and I was kind of snarky/stressed out when I asked him to slow down, but still, what kind of attitude is that to have?

I love doing huge pulls as a paladin, and early on when I started gearing up I caused wipes on more than one occasion by over-estimating the DPS/healing output or whatever, so I get that it happens. But who in their right mind would think "Well, I know I can handle this, so why should I slow down just to accommodate some noobs who don't know how to heal?"

[Ashkendor]

I love doing huge pulls as a paladin, and early on when I started gearing up I caused wipes on more than one occasion by over-estimating the DPS/healing output or whatever, so I get that it happens. But who in their right mind would think "Well, I know I can handle this, so why should I slow down just to accommodate some noobs who don't know how to heal?"

Huge pulls are so amazingly fun... as long as your healer and DPS are willing and able to keep up with it. If they can't or won't (some people don't like SR's), then it's just an exercise in frustration for everyone.

Some people just have something to prove, I guess. The epeen is strong with that one.

[Warrlordd]

hey, i agree! videos are a FAR FAR cry from real experience. But at least I wouldn't have to tell you what lunar dynamo is, when it should come, what it does, and how to dodge it, right? That's what my point is. Learn the abilities skills, and THEN practice what you learn.

[LionKing]

Both War and Pal are great at holding aggro while Warrior does have an edge over Pal for AOE aggro tanking thanks to TP cost-free Steel Cyclone. However, if not being handled properly, War will run out of TP much quicker compared to Paladin. Though, in the hand of a skilled player, though both can show their full potential.

I have a story I would like to have everyone comments. Yesterday, I ran a duty roulette and ended up in Stone Vigil HM with the party setup as I, Warrior Ilv84 with Dual Hakken as weapon, full i90 armour pieces with Amber accessory for SB purpose, with the HP of 7840, 2 MNK ilv95+ as DPS and 1 WHM ILv 95+ as well. I did not do the SR, at most I only tanked 2 waves at a time (4-5 mobs at the same time). Our DPS did great in their role. However, I had been told off that I did not give him/her enough time to regain MP and that I was squishy, so she/he had to heal me much more than usual, given I never lost aggro once myself and pop all CD as soon as my instinct told me I should. The WHM used Cure 2 to heal me the whole run. And before each pull, I made sure she/he had at least 2k MP to heal me because I also had a WHM, also heal others and I could estimated how much mana you would need at this ilv gear, this Duns to heal through the pull. I told him, you should never run out of mana in the first place given how well perform the others were at doing their jobs. And the reason he told me that I was squishy because of his main was a Paladin..So was I a bad tank or the healer just.... bad at his/her role in terms of mana management????

[Ashkendor]

The WHM used Cure 2 to heal me the whole run.

That sticks out to me. WHM can't just spam Cure 2 nonstop. I abuse the hell out of Freecure all I can.

And the reason he told me that I was squishy because of his main was a Paladin..So was I a bad tank or the healer just.... bad at his/her role in terms of mana management????

Uh. News flash for that guy, no duh warriors are a little squishy compared to paladins. Shield Oath is a permanent 20% damage reduction, and paladins have a lot of defensive cooldowns to utilize. He might have just been unhappy that you were sb'ing level 49 accessories in an expert dungeon.