The Monk Temple Reborn

[whiskeybravo]

2 BS = 450 potency

Wasn't sure how to adjust potency with crit.. Crit deals double damage so I thought it was double potency

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

I have a quick question about the optimal opener without Perfect Balance (Went back to my monk after a long while, but she's only level 40 at this point, so no PB). It might have been answered, but I couldn't find it if it was.

Why is Touch of Death used right at the start of the non-PB opener? (ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap...)
Wouldn't it make more sense to use it when Blood for Blood, Internal Release, and the Twin Snakes buff are all up for greater overall damage? The only drawback I can see would be that the first Bootshine might not get the last few seconds of Blood for Blood, but I can't figure out whether ToD could do more with the buff over its 30 second duration than Bootshine, especially if ToD crits.

[whiskeybravo]

Why is Touch of Death used right at the start of the non-PB opener? (ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap...)

It's a dot that will be ticking while you build GL3. It takes, what, ~20ish seconds to build GL, which is 2/3 or so of the ToD duration. It's a MNKs strongest attack at 320 potency, it just takes a while to tick which is why you apply it early. I use it before PB, sometimes you need a filler between Shoulder Tackle and PB.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

It's a dot that will be ticking while you build GL3. It takes, what, ~20ish seconds to build GL, which is 2/3 or so of the ToD duration. It's a MNKs strongest attack at 320 potency, it just takes a while to tick which is why you apply it early. I use it before PB, sometimes you need a filler between Shoulder Tackle and PB.

Okay, I'll turn my question around a little so that I get an answer to the whole question. Then why not reapply ToD after your damage buffs are up? Seems like a shame to miss out on that extra bit of damage on the Monk's strongest attack.

[whiskeybravo]

Okay, I'll turn my question around a little so that I get an answer to the whole question. Then why not reapply ToD after your damage buffs are up? Seems like a shame to miss out on that extra bit of damage on the Monk's strongest attack.

You will re-apply it shortly thereafter if keeping dots up anyways. I don't know specifically for ToD, but SMN dots for example are typically clipped at ~3 sec left due to there not being another damage tick in that last 3 sec. You would probably be OK to reapply at close to the same time.

And in regard to the other buffs.. If I don't use PB, I will typically wait to use B4B until I have GL3, then squeeze in a fresh round of dots as the first ones expire. Not sure if right or wrong but that's what I tend to do.. Hell even using PB I wait til GL3 to use B4B, but like I said, I've only been lv50 MNK for like 2 weeks, so I'm still learning a bit and trying to get more comfortable with the job.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

You will re-apply it shortly thereafter if keeping dots up anyways. I don't know specifically for ToD, but SMN dots for example are typically clipped at ~3 sec left due to there not being another damage tick in that last 3 sec. You would probably be OK to reapply at close to the same time.

By waiting until ToD is about to run out, every buff except Twin Snakes and Greased Lightning would be down. You would be missing out on the damage buff from Blood for Blood and the better crit chance from Internal Release. What I want to know is why I should use

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

When

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> ToD -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

Would instead boost the damage of ToD much more than just applying it the one time at the beginning of the opening with the only drawback being the loss of BfB on the first Boot. (I also don't know where the optimal place to put ToD would be; I put it after Demo so the GL stacks show up as soon as possible)

[whiskeybravo]

By waiting until ToD is about to run out, every buff except Twin Snakes and Greased Lightning would be down. You would be missing out on the damage buff from Blood for Blood and the better crit chance from Internal Release. What I want to know is why I should use

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

When

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> ToD -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

Would instead boost the damage of ToD much more than just applying it the one time at the beginning of the opening with the only drawback being the loss of BfB on the first Boot. (I also don't know where the optimal place to put ToD would be; I put it after Demo so the GL stacks show up as soon as possible)

Can a expert monk step in here? Lol

To me, it seems like a waste to apply a dot and then reapply it only 3 ticks in. Wastes TP and wastes a GCD that could be better spent on a higher potency attack. If you just want ToD to have the buffs then don't use it as an opener. It can not be a dps increase to re-apply it so early, even with B4B and ToD. It's a good question I think, but the general consensus is to maximize potency per GCD.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

To me, it seems like a waste to apply a dot and then reapply it only 3 ticks in. Wastes TP and wastes a GCD that could be better spent on a higher potency attack. If you just want ToD to have the buffs then don't use it as an opener. It can not be a dps increase to re-apply it so early, even with B4B and ToD. It's a good question I think, but the general consensus is to maximize potency per GCD.

I agree, I think it's a waste to reapply it as well, which is why I was originally asking just about using it in a different spot in the opener. But I don't know where it would be optimal to move it if I were to put it in a different spot in the opener. The latest I could reapply it and still get the buffs would be

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> ToD -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

But even then I would be clipping after only 6 GCDs and, if it was not being reapplied, I would be waiting far too long to use it and wasting potency that I could have had with the one ToD at the beginning.

On the other hand, I could easily just move ToD up before Demo, getting all the buffs at once

BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> ToD -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

Without being in any danger of the Twin Snakes buff wearing off. But then, I delay Greased Lightning, which isn't optimal.

::shrug::
I'm just curious, in the end. Sorry if I was unclear with the initial question.

[whiskeybravo]

I dunno, that's sort of why I delay B4B instead of using it in opener. It's only 10%, there could be an argument that one stack of GL is better than B4B. So I just like to get 3 stacks first, then use B4B to boost everything up a notch. And while I can't track dps because I play on PS4, I can tell you every fight I've been in I'm still top threat. There's obviously a lot of variables in that but it gives me an idea whether I'm doing good or not.

[Lewena]

You can just delay the use of your CDs. As for the opener with PB, not a big deal to have this one ToD thing, except if you want to maximize everything XD.

BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> ToD -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

At least use it after Demo.