The Monk Temple Reborn

[Lewena]

I believe you have misunderstood me. I meant for this not as an opener, but to be used mid fight if you don't need Perfect balance to refresh stacks and wanted to try and use it to get more dps out.

Sorry, read too fast.

The full rotation is the following (including the setup):

Dem> DK > TW > PB (oGCD)> BS > BS > BS > SP > DK (PB ends) > DK > TW > Dem

Instead of:

Dem - DK - TW - SP - BS - TS - SP - DK - TW - Dem

2 crit BS = 600 potency?

SP + TS = 370 potency?

So an extra 230 pot? Good for a quick burst, just not sure how big a difference that would make over 4 mins.

2 BS = 450 potency versus 370 potency with potential of crit. 80 potency of difference. I don't believe this would be a big difference on the overall fight. Moreover, DK is used once more so the difference is even less in fact. The only interest I see from using PB mid fight is when you need to burn something fast. Using Bootshine ensures some damage (if either Snap or True Strike crits, using PB as proposed is less damage). Btw, if you take only the 10 s window of PB, the 'burst' would be (in mean) of 6.4% with a 10% crit rate and of 4.3% with a 20% crit rate.

[whiskeybravo]

2 BS = 450 potency

Wasn't sure how to adjust potency with crit.. Crit deals double damage so I thought it was double potency

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

I have a quick question about the optimal opener without Perfect Balance (Went back to my monk after a long while, but she's only level 40 at this point, so no PB). It might have been answered, but I couldn't find it if it was.

Why is Touch of Death used right at the start of the non-PB opener? (ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap...)
Wouldn't it make more sense to use it when Blood for Blood, Internal Release, and the Twin Snakes buff are all up for greater overall damage? The only drawback I can see would be that the first Bootshine might not get the last few seconds of Blood for Blood, but I can't figure out whether ToD could do more with the buff over its 30 second duration than Bootshine, especially if ToD crits.

[whiskeybravo]

Why is Touch of Death used right at the start of the non-PB opener? (ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap...)

It's a dot that will be ticking while you build GL3. It takes, what, ~20ish seconds to build GL, which is 2/3 or so of the ToD duration. It's a MNKs strongest attack at 320 potency, it just takes a while to tick which is why you apply it early. I use it before PB, sometimes you need a filler between Shoulder Tackle and PB.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

It's a dot that will be ticking while you build GL3. It takes, what, ~20ish seconds to build GL, which is 2/3 or so of the ToD duration. It's a MNKs strongest attack at 320 potency, it just takes a while to tick which is why you apply it early. I use it before PB, sometimes you need a filler between Shoulder Tackle and PB.

Okay, I'll turn my question around a little so that I get an answer to the whole question. Then why not reapply ToD after your damage buffs are up? Seems like a shame to miss out on that extra bit of damage on the Monk's strongest attack.

[whiskeybravo]

Okay, I'll turn my question around a little so that I get an answer to the whole question. Then why not reapply ToD after your damage buffs are up? Seems like a shame to miss out on that extra bit of damage on the Monk's strongest attack.

You will re-apply it shortly thereafter if keeping dots up anyways. I don't know specifically for ToD, but SMN dots for example are typically clipped at ~3 sec left due to there not being another damage tick in that last 3 sec. You would probably be OK to reapply at close to the same time.

And in regard to the other buffs.. If I don't use PB, I will typically wait to use B4B until I have GL3, then squeeze in a fresh round of dots as the first ones expire. Not sure if right or wrong but that's what I tend to do.. Hell even using PB I wait til GL3 to use B4B, but like I said, I've only been lv50 MNK for like 2 weeks, so I'm still learning a bit and trying to get more comfortable with the job.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

You will re-apply it shortly thereafter if keeping dots up anyways. I don't know specifically for ToD, but SMN dots for example are typically clipped at ~3 sec left due to there not being another damage tick in that last 3 sec. You would probably be OK to reapply at close to the same time.

By waiting until ToD is about to run out, every buff except Twin Snakes and Greased Lightning would be down. You would be missing out on the damage buff from Blood for Blood and the better crit chance from Internal Release. What I want to know is why I should use

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

When

ToD -> BfB -> DK -> IR -> Twin -> Howl -> Demo -> ToD -> Steel -> DK -> Twin -> Snap -> Boot -> True -> Snap -> etc.

Would instead boost the damage of ToD much more than just applying it the one time at the beginning of the opening with the only drawback being the loss of BfB on the first Boot. (I also don't know where the optimal place to put ToD would be; I put it after Demo so the GL stacks show up as soon as possible)