atma drop rates

[Lord_Mord]

I could actually stomach a 100 hour grind on fates, with a smile on my face, no fool'n.

However, there are those getting it done in less than 12 hours.

If you have this part of the zodiac chain done and have invested LESS THAN 80% of the time than the individual who has spent the MOST amount of time on it has, you don't deserve your weapon, and you should have it replaced with zenith and your progress reset.

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

Wow people are still complaining about this?

[Avarghaladion]

I won't even bother quoting Avarghaladion-chan, who doesn't even try to discuss, may he say what pleases him, it's just been a soliloquy he made assuming false things.

I literally invited you to provide counter-points... which you haven't done ever, or don't know how to do.... All the butthurt your cognitive dissonance is causing yourself probably makes it too difficult to see well enough to read. That being said, obvious troll is now blisted troll. Congralutations on consistently being the most ignorant person in the thread, YanDerp.

I could actually stomach a 100 hour grind on fates, with a smile on my face, no fool'n.

As we always have. There's historically not a big stink made about the legitimate, progress driven grinds we've put up with as MMO gamers. I wasn't remotely annoyed by the pre-nerf relic grinds in XI because it was built around good content and RNG factor had a controlled, balanced impact. Those relic quests took people years to accomplish and no one complained. The reason people are complaining now isn't because these are different gamers in a different time, as I've seen some people suggesting. Virtually everyone I know in game played XI for a very very long time, most since NA release. The reason people are complaining about Atma is because every facet of it, from concept to execution, is complete horseshit.

If you have this part of the zodiac chain done and have invested LESS THAN 80% of the time than the individual who has spent the MOST amount of time on it has, you don't deserve your weapon, and you should have it replaced with zenith and your progress reset.

I don't entirely disagree, but that's a bit hyperbolic, in my opinion. I do get a chuckle out of people like YanDerp up there developing a superiority complex and grandiose delusions after having theirs handed to them on a silver platter in less time than a good chunk of people spend in a single zone. What should happen, but won't ever happen again, is that SE should openly admit that they messed up and just fix the issue. I've not known SE to have the integrity to do this though, except for that one time where they lost a fortune in 1.0 and finally were forced to own up to their mistakes. The most offensive part in all this is how trivial it would be to just balance the "content" in question, since we all know it's going to be ubernerfed regardless.

[Zexth]

They really need to do something about the drop rates for Atma. it took 173 Fates for a total of 74 hours combined in the span of 3 weeks just to get Atma of the maiden. 173 Fates is just ridiculous for a single Atma. Yes i had zenith equipped and had the quest the whole time even checked 4 times to make sure i had the quest. currently working on Atma of the Goat and on my 31st fate. I don't think it should take more then 40-50 fates to get an Atma. If you get to 100+ fates and still no drop, the drop rates need to be fixed. Yes i do get your supposed to work and grind for the Atma but at the same time if the drop rates are too low and you spent 70+ hours on 1 Atma it will off-put many players who have a Job or family and dont want to spent that kind of time for 1 out of 12 pieces. I like the idea of the scaling drop rate but add 10% every 15 - 20 fates or so.

[YanDere]

And who said you were scum? I see nothing of the sort in my post.

Well that was just referring to Avarghaladion (who has blisted me for not agreeing with him lol), but now that I think of it, well...
"You did so many fates in a couple minutes, well big woop to you. Would you like a round of applause, or a chocolate bar."

But that's not such a big deal, anyone can say what they think, it's an open forum (I'm not going to commit suicide for that) :3

To everyone who says it's ALL luck and you can't increase the odds of dropping atmas, here's how RNG works:
You have 3% probability? Well then it Generates a Random Number (Random Number Generator, RNG, it's the name ) from 1 to 100, and if the number is equal or inferior to 3 then you drop.
This is the "luck-based" part.
If you do 1 FATE, you have 1 attempt to get the atma, if you do 2 FATEs you get 2 attempts. So, if you do 1 FATE you have 2 options: yes/no (50%), but if you do 2 FATEs you now have yes/yes, yes/no, no/yes, no/no (75%). It's 75% instead of 50%, which means 4.5% instead of 3%.
Is that luck? Or is that just doing more FATEs in less time?
What else do I need to tell you? Everything has method in it. The way you do things impacts strongly on them regardless of how difficult/RNG-based they are.
But I think this post isn't even a discussion, it's just a whine where you can't say how things really are or everyone will get upset and insult you deafly.

[Axlle10]

If you do 1 FATE, you have 1 attempt to get the atma, if you do 2 FATEs you get 2 attempts. So, if you do 1 FATE you have 2 options: yes/no (50%), but if you do 2 FATEs you now have yes/yes, yes/no, no/yes, no/no (75%). It's 75% instead of 50%, which means 4.5% instead of 3%.
Is that luck? Or is that just doing more FATEs in less time?

wow, just wow. please tell me you are joking. Here is how RNG truly works. Roll a 100 sided die and you must hit 1,2,or 3. You roll it once, hit 5. no atma. Now you dont get to advance from 1,2,3 to 1,2,3,4. you are stuck at 1,2,3 because that is the roll. Your CHANCE of getting the atma per fate does not change. The ILLUSION that more fates = higher chance of getting it is understandable that it can confuse people. So really. how do you see doing more fates = higher chance of dropping per fate. Its not the rate of atma dropping that you are talking about which is what everyone is upset about, its the theory of randomness evening out over time. Yes, the more fates you do the more likely you are to get an atma becuase more rolls = more 3% chances of it dropping. thats what your % is based off of.

Example:
you roll: no/no/no/no/no/no/no/no/yes/yes- your % per fate has now changed to 20% per fate. OMG! How did that happen?
now you roll: no/no/yes/no/yes - Now your % changed to 40% wow! even better!

but what you fail to realize is that for every no and every yes, there is EXACTLY EVERY TIME a 3% chance that the atma will drop. No matter how many you do that base chance does not increase at all.

[Avarghaladion]

This is why basic, fundamental probs and stats should be mandatory in public school.

[YanDere]

Are you even reading? I'm seriously doubting that now.
I didn't say you get a higher chance per fate, I said you get a higher overall drop chance. By trying twice a 3% drop, you have a 4.5% overall success rate, because it's [3x(75/50)]%
Are you just trying to find something wrong in what I say to justify that you are just poor unlucky victims of the unforgiving RNG gods?
Grow up, please.

Example:
you roll: no/no/no/no/no/no/no/no/yes/yes- your % per fate has now changed to 20% per fate. OMG! How did that happen?
now you roll: no/no/yes/no/yes - Now your % changed to 40% wow! even better!

You shouldn't have skipped elementary school.
I don't know what to begin with, your comment is just SOOOOO senseless, useless, and it just confirms you are just trying to justify yourself.
Your specific rolls don't matter as they are influenced by random numbers (are you sure you are the one who knows how RNG works?), but analyzing ALL the possible rolls gives you how many overall chances you have.
1 FATE = 50% (3%)
- Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No x no atma dropped
2 FATEs = 75% (4.5%)
- Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No x no atma dropped
3 FATEs = 87.5% (5.25%)
- Yes/Yes/Yes v 3 atmas dropped
- Yes/Yes/No v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- No/Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/No x no atma dropped

THIS is how RNG works. You have the same drop rate in every single FATE (3%), but you have 3% dropping 1 atma from 1 FATE, 4.5% to drop 1 atma from 2 FATEs, 5.25% to drop 1 atma from 3 FATEs. And so on. So the more FATEs you do in the same time, the more odds you have of dropping at least 1 atma.

[Axlle10]

Are you even reading? I'm seriously doubting that now.
I didn't say you get a higher chance per fate, I said you get a higher overall drop chance. By trying twice a 3% drop, you have a 4.5% overall success rate, because it's [3x(75/50)]%
Are you just trying to find something wrong in what I say to justify that you are just poor unlucky victims of the unforgiving RNG gods?
Grow up, please.


You shouldn't have skipped elementary school.
I don't know what to begin with, your comment is just SOOOOO senseless, useless, and it just confirms you are just trying to justify yourself.
Your specific rolls don't matter as they are influenced by random numbers (are you sure you are the one who knows how RNG works?), but analyzing ALL the possible rolls gives you how many overall chances you have.
1 FATE = 50% (3%)
- Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No x no atma dropped
2 FATEs = 75% (4.5%)
- Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No x no atma dropped
3 FATEs = 87.5% (5.25%)
- Yes/Yes/Yes v 3 atmas dropped
- Yes/Yes/No v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- Yes/No/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/Yes/Yes v 2 atmas dropped
- No/Yes/No v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/Yes v 1 atma dropped
- No/No/No x no atma dropped

THIS is how RNG works. You have the same drop rate in every single FATE (3%), but you have 3% dropping 1 atma from 1 FATE, 4.5% to drop 1 atma from 2 FATEs, 5.25% to drop 1 atma from 3 FATEs. And so on. So the more FATEs you do in the same time, the more odds you have of dropping at least 1 atma.

Alright, since i was a little tired last night and misread your thread, i apologize. But the little bolded statement there has caught my attention. How exactly do you do 3 fates in the time it takes you to do 1? I sense a loophole in your argument if thats what you are trying to say. Its not always possible to get 3 fates right next to each other and complete all of them with gold every single time. and also with your theory, you are suggesting that random numbers generate over time to level out and produce the expected results. understandable but its just a theory. it is impossible to say that doing more will ever get you the results you want. i can roll a dice 500 times and never get a 1 on a 1/6 chance.

[Avarghaladion]

How exactly do you do 3 fates in the time it takes you to do 1? I sense a loophole in your argument if thats what you are trying to say. Its not always possible to get 3 fates right next to each other and complete all of them with gold every single time. and also with your theory, you are suggesting that random numbers generate over time to level out and produce the expected results. understandable but its just a theory. it is impossible to say that doing more will ever get you the results you want. i can roll a dice 500 times and never get a 1 on a 1/6 chance.

This is where the logical fallacy comes in. In order for one to hold the perceptions you and I are challenging they have to make the assertion that everyone who complains, or doesn't have Atma yet, is playing to an inferior level. This requires a hell of a narcistic ego when you consider that the level of playskill required to completely maximize your farming efficieny is trivially rudimentary.